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  • linguistory@code4lib.socialL linguistory@code4lib.social

    @overholt Ironic, given that IA itself has destroyed plenty of physical books to scan them

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    #124

    @linguistory @overholt iirc they mostly do non-destructive scanning

    https://digitization.archive.org/digitization/

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    • overholt@glammr.usO overholt@glammr.us

      @classwario See here: https://glammr.us/@overholt/117009712586141270

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      #125

      @overholt Thank you for taking the time. My reply was an attempt at snarky rhetorical brevity. Essentially @kosure ’s point. Whose intellectual cycle/property? It’s theirs. Their black box. Their interpretations. Their conclusions. Their abstractions. Their decisions and influence as source material gone. Distillation abstraction ownership while claiming sagacity, while demanding transaction tribute.

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      • overholt@glammr.usO overholt@glammr.us

        From the website of the company that’s destroying books to feed them into the ravenous AI maw.

        “A physical book is a delivery mechanism for information. Once that information has been extracted and encoded into an AI model, the delivery mechanism has served its purpose. What remains is paper, ink, and binding material. The book is not destroyed. Its value has migrated. The paper returns to the material cycle; the knowledge enters the intellectual one.” https://www.news.com.au/technology/online/internet/ai-labs-buy-scan-shred-millions-of-rare-books/news-story/0c3b45a67093ab462a587a0348538ce9

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        #126

        @overholt @sv1 These people are mentally hill. I think they are the kind who hate physical world, their body, everything. They just want their mind uploaded somewhere and live in a virtual world.

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        • overholt@glammr.usO overholt@glammr.us

          From the website of the company that’s destroying books to feed them into the ravenous AI maw.

          “A physical book is a delivery mechanism for information. Once that information has been extracted and encoded into an AI model, the delivery mechanism has served its purpose. What remains is paper, ink, and binding material. The book is not destroyed. Its value has migrated. The paper returns to the material cycle; the knowledge enters the intellectual one.” https://www.news.com.au/technology/online/internet/ai-labs-buy-scan-shred-millions-of-rare-books/news-story/0c3b45a67093ab462a587a0348538ce9

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          #127

          @overholt I have not felt this much pain learning about the destruction of books since I read “The Library Book” by Susan Orlean about the LA library fire. Recommend this read by the way.

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          • overholt@glammr.usO overholt@glammr.us

            From the website of the company that’s destroying books to feed them into the ravenous AI maw.

            “A physical book is a delivery mechanism for information. Once that information has been extracted and encoded into an AI model, the delivery mechanism has served its purpose. What remains is paper, ink, and binding material. The book is not destroyed. Its value has migrated. The paper returns to the material cycle; the knowledge enters the intellectual one.” https://www.news.com.au/technology/online/internet/ai-labs-buy-scan-shred-millions-of-rare-books/news-story/0c3b45a67093ab462a587a0348538ce9

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            #128

            @overholt "the value has been migrated" (into our greedy for-profit hands)

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            • shadows@beige.partyS shadows@beige.party

              @librarymonster @overholt seems implicit given everything we’ve seen with AI and layoffs and everything else.

              “A physical being is a delivery mechanism for skilled labor. Once those skills have been extracted and encoded into an AI model, the delivery mechanism has served its purpose. What remains is blood, bone, and binding material. The being is not destroyed. Its value has migrated. The being returns to the material cycle; the skills enter the production one.”

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              #129

              @shadows @librarymonster @overholt @mamsell Given that the tech fascists literally envision trillions of digital humans (obviously only the plebs, they get immortal human bodies) colonizing the universe, it’s the logical conclusion of their argument.

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              • allpoints@mstdn.socialA allpoints@mstdn.social

                @overholt language is fascinating. Today I learned, "The book's value has migrated." is Techbro speak for, "We've stolen another book."

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                #130

                @allpoints @overholt Migrated...wait that's what geese do....so like the goose, the book was not valued.

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                • overholt@glammr.usO overholt@glammr.us

                  From the website of the company that’s destroying books to feed them into the ravenous AI maw.

                  “A physical book is a delivery mechanism for information. Once that information has been extracted and encoded into an AI model, the delivery mechanism has served its purpose. What remains is paper, ink, and binding material. The book is not destroyed. Its value has migrated. The paper returns to the material cycle; the knowledge enters the intellectual one.” https://www.news.com.au/technology/online/internet/ai-labs-buy-scan-shred-millions-of-rare-books/news-story/0c3b45a67093ab462a587a0348538ce9

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                  #131

                  @overholt These people are idiots.

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                  • allpoints@mstdn.socialA allpoints@mstdn.social

                    @overholt language is fascinating. Today I learned, "The book's value has migrated." is Techbro speak for, "We've stolen another book."

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                    #132

                    @allpoints @overholt "Aw damn, looks like someone migrated the value of my bike!"

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                    • overholt@glammr.usO overholt@glammr.us

                      From the website of the company that’s destroying books to feed them into the ravenous AI maw.

                      “A physical book is a delivery mechanism for information. Once that information has been extracted and encoded into an AI model, the delivery mechanism has served its purpose. What remains is paper, ink, and binding material. The book is not destroyed. Its value has migrated. The paper returns to the material cycle; the knowledge enters the intellectual one.” https://www.news.com.au/technology/online/internet/ai-labs-buy-scan-shred-millions-of-rare-books/news-story/0c3b45a67093ab462a587a0348538ce9

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                      #133

                      @overholt forget rare historical books, scrolls, tablets … not!

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                      • overholt@glammr.usO overholt@glammr.us

                        From the website of the company that’s destroying books to feed them into the ravenous AI maw.

                        “A physical book is a delivery mechanism for information. Once that information has been extracted and encoded into an AI model, the delivery mechanism has served its purpose. What remains is paper, ink, and binding material. The book is not destroyed. Its value has migrated. The paper returns to the material cycle; the knowledge enters the intellectual one.” https://www.news.com.au/technology/online/internet/ai-labs-buy-scan-shred-millions-of-rare-books/news-story/0c3b45a67093ab462a587a0348538ce9

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                        #134

                        @overholt these people are so detached from reality.

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                        • overholt@glammr.usO overholt@glammr.us

                          From the website of the company that’s destroying books to feed them into the ravenous AI maw.

                          “A physical book is a delivery mechanism for information. Once that information has been extracted and encoded into an AI model, the delivery mechanism has served its purpose. What remains is paper, ink, and binding material. The book is not destroyed. Its value has migrated. The paper returns to the material cycle; the knowledge enters the intellectual one.” https://www.news.com.au/technology/online/internet/ai-labs-buy-scan-shred-millions-of-rare-books/news-story/0c3b45a67093ab462a587a0348538ce9

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                          #135

                          @overholt
                          The CEO of an AI company is merely a delivery system for genetic coding. Once the genetic coding has been transferred from the CEO's genome to a digital repository the delivery system has done its job. The CEO has not been butchered in an abattoir, their value has migrated. The body goes back into the material cycle, the genetic information into the intellectual one.

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                          • overholt@glammr.usO overholt@glammr.us

                            From the website of the company that’s destroying books to feed them into the ravenous AI maw.

                            “A physical book is a delivery mechanism for information. Once that information has been extracted and encoded into an AI model, the delivery mechanism has served its purpose. What remains is paper, ink, and binding material. The book is not destroyed. Its value has migrated. The paper returns to the material cycle; the knowledge enters the intellectual one.” https://www.news.com.au/technology/online/internet/ai-labs-buy-scan-shred-millions-of-rare-books/news-story/0c3b45a67093ab462a587a0348538ce9

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                            #136

                            @overholt what soulless ghouls.

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                            • overholt@glammr.usO overholt@glammr.us

                              From the website of the company that’s destroying books to feed them into the ravenous AI maw.

                              “A physical book is a delivery mechanism for information. Once that information has been extracted and encoded into an AI model, the delivery mechanism has served its purpose. What remains is paper, ink, and binding material. The book is not destroyed. Its value has migrated. The paper returns to the material cycle; the knowledge enters the intellectual one.” https://www.news.com.au/technology/online/internet/ai-labs-buy-scan-shred-millions-of-rare-books/news-story/0c3b45a67093ab462a587a0348538ce9

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                              #137

                              @overholt These fuckers need to be strung up and prevented from damaging another human pursuit ever again.

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                              • ghostonthehalfshell@masto.aiG ghostonthehalfshell@masto.ai

                                @overholt

                                Oh, I’d like to suggest that it’s much more than simply feeling a knife in the gut.

                                This is book burning 2.0

                                We don’t know what AI does to, and with the content it ingests. A consolidates control over information into the hands of the few.

                                The value of the book was to broadly disseminate information. The value of AI to psychopaths is to consolidate control over information.

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                                #138

                                @GhostOnTheHalfShell @overholt oh we know

                                they copy the isbn and metadata
                                save each scan in some datalake
                                ocr each scan into another datalake
                                associate metadata in db with artifacts in lake
                                sucked into a model
                                each retraining can reuse as needed

                                no way they delete the artifacts but also no way they would share

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                                • overholt@glammr.usO overholt@glammr.us

                                  Apparently the quote was shocking enough they've rewritten the post, but IA has the receipts. https://web.archive.org/web/20260720152647/https://isbndb.com/blog/print-books-sourcing-ai-training/

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                                  #139

                                  @overholt "its value has migrated." but BOOK WAS NOT VALUED.

                                  i'll take my golden egg now, thank you.

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                                  • overholt@glammr.usO overholt@glammr.us

                                    From the website of the company that’s destroying books to feed them into the ravenous AI maw.

                                    “A physical book is a delivery mechanism for information. Once that information has been extracted and encoded into an AI model, the delivery mechanism has served its purpose. What remains is paper, ink, and binding material. The book is not destroyed. Its value has migrated. The paper returns to the material cycle; the knowledge enters the intellectual one.” https://www.news.com.au/technology/online/internet/ai-labs-buy-scan-shred-millions-of-rare-books/news-story/0c3b45a67093ab462a587a0348538ce9

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                                    #140

                                    @overholt
                                    These fools have never seen the original 'Rollerball'. They should.

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                                    • jessamyn@glammr.usJ jessamyn@glammr.us

                                      @linguistory @overholt iirc they mostly do non-destructive scanning

                                      https://digitization.archive.org/digitization/

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                                      #141

                                      @jessamyn @overholt I think that sometime in the 2010s they shifted to sending a lot of books to China and the Philippines for scanning.

                                      I'm going off of this DH project, which looked at the metadata attached to scanned IA items in addition to talking to scanning staff: https://scanninglabor.github.io/IAScanningLabor/discussion.html

                                      I saw these folks present at a conference, and recall them saying the books were being destroyed rather than sent back across the Pacific—but can't find confirmation

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                                      • overholt@glammr.usO overholt@glammr.us

                                        As someone who has devoted his career to celebrating and preserving the artifactual, tangible value of books, this feels like a knife in the gut.

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                                        #142

                                        @overholt They're just very foolish people. They think we're living in the Star Trek age, which is set three centuries from now.

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                                        • linguistory@code4lib.socialL linguistory@code4lib.social

                                          @jessamyn @overholt I think that sometime in the 2010s they shifted to sending a lot of books to China and the Philippines for scanning.

                                          I'm going off of this DH project, which looked at the metadata attached to scanned IA items in addition to talking to scanning staff: https://scanninglabor.github.io/IAScanningLabor/discussion.html

                                          I saw these folks present at a conference, and recall them saying the books were being destroyed rather than sent back across the Pacific—but can't find confirmation

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                                          #143

                                          @linguistory @overholt Thanks -- it's entirely possible I am not correct about that

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