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  3. u programmed this with claude?

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  • jacqueline@chaos.socialJ jacqueline@chaos.social

    u programmed this with claude? the ai platform for bombing schools?

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    #18

    @jacqueline For anyone questioning if Claude was used for selecting targets during the US attack on Iran, including bombing a school, here are some sources showing that Claude was used (and is still in use):

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/anthropic-claude-ai-iran-war-u-s/
    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/mar/01/claude-anthropic-iran-strikes-us-military

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    • aesthr@wandering.shopA aesthr@wandering.shop

      @vyllenjamnin @jacqueline they really aren't "just tools". This analogy is just wrong and extremely misleading.

      They are services provided by an organization that have politics embedded into them.

      A pen doesn't influence WHAT you're writing. An LLM's training process, which is controlled and managed by people with certain politics, very much influences what it's output will be.

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      #19

      @aesthr @jacqueline you are right! It is not just a tool, it is strongly influenced by corporate interests and built on hugely stolen work. Maybe I made my point badly. We should not forget that people are still responsible! Let's not shift focus away from whomever eventually signed off on this decision.

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        #20

        @aparrish my point is that people can use any pen to write any words they want.

        No pen (not even that hypothetical one formerly used by Nazis) will prevent you from writing a certain sequence of words, or from writing about a certain topic. No pen is going to stop putting ink on the paper when your words conflict with some corporate content guideline, or if you write something illegal. No pen is going to write words that you didn't decide to write.

        Generative "AI" does all of those things.

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        • jacqueline@chaos.socialJ jacqueline@chaos.social

          u programmed this with claude? the ai platform for bombing schools?

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          #21

          @jacqueline @afewbugs thanks im gonna start saying this.

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          • jacqueline@chaos.socialJ jacqueline@chaos.social

            u programmed this with claude? the ai platform for bombing schools?

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            #22

            boost with CN: LLMs, war crimes

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              #23

              @aparrish you’re still missing the point here about tools vs services, about means of production. and I get the feeling you’re just trying to be contrarian for its own sake

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                #24

                @aparrish i never said that tools in general don’t have politics embedded in them. Yet you went on an unsolicited lecture about it instead of engaging with what I was originally talking about.

                It’s arrogant and condescending. Now leave me the fuck alone

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                  #25

                  @lycanoid @jacqueline

                  Why assume the human giving the order or the intelligence agency running the AI to select targets *didn't* want to bomb a school?

                  Obviously it's still a war crime even if they say it was based on faulty or outdated intel. Anyone can *say* that. Equally obviously, a calculation has been made about whether you get away with war crimes these days.

                  I hate that it's so, but the simplest and most likely explanation for atrocity is always intent.

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                    #26

                    @aparrish eh, you were fine. This guy was just being a douche.

                    I'd double-down and say that all tools shape behavior. Some more than others. Some better than others.

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                    • kinosian@mastodon.sdf.orgK kinosian@mastodon.sdf.org

                      @jacqueline Claude's actually the one who refused to do that, unless I'm missing something? ChatGPT is the school-bomber.

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                      #27

                      @kinosian @jacqueline Anthropic got the headline they wanted for “refusing” but they are in use for target selection and planning via Palantir. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/mar/01/claude-anthropic-iran-strikes-us-military

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                      • V vyllenjamnin@mastodon.social

                        @jacqueline imh this is the same as saying "You are using the same pen as they did sign the Nuremberg laws with". People are accountable for these atrocities, AIs are just another (problematic) tool enabling bad people to do bad things more efficiently. Don't forget who is truly responsible here.

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                        #28

                        @vyllenjamnin @jacqueline

                        You're probably paying for the tool, or at least contributing to the so-called valuation of the company providing it, hence providing the company with resources to provide child killing services elsewhere.

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                        • ottumm@mastodon.socialO ottumm@mastodon.social

                          @kinosian @jacqueline Anthropic got the headline they wanted for “refusing” but they are in use for target selection and planning via Palantir. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/mar/01/claude-anthropic-iran-strikes-us-military

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                          @ottumm @jacqueline Sorry to hear that, but thank you for letting me know!

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                          • V vyllenjamnin@mastodon.social

                            @jacqueline imh this is the same as saying "You are using the same pen as they did sign the Nuremberg laws with". People are accountable for these atrocities, AIs are just another (problematic) tool enabling bad people to do bad things more efficiently. Don't forget who is truly responsible here.

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                            #30

                            @vyllenjamnin while I get your point, I think AIs (and of course people/companies behind them) are not as simple a tool as a pen. So I tend not to agree with your analogy in this case.

                            @jacqueline

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                              @s0 @jacqueline endless blockfodder

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