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  3. Cloudflare just published a vibe coded blog post claiming they implemented Matrix on cloudflare workers.

Cloudflare just published a vibe coded blog post claiming they implemented Matrix on cloudflare workers.

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  • jadedblueeyes@tech.lgbtJ jadedblueeyes@tech.lgbt

    Rather than implementing the critical state resolution algorithm that's the core of Matrix, they just directly insert the latest state into the database. That'll instantly lead to diverging views of the room and incompatibility with every other implementation - and it's also a massive security hole.

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    #61

    @JadedBlueEyes@tech.lgbt NOT THE STATE RES ALGORITHM 😭

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    • jadedblueeyes@tech.lgbtJ jadedblueeyes@tech.lgbt

      @josh @dcousineau oh god I didn't even look at the client code

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      #62

      @JadedBlueEyes @josh oh woooow, using ...innerHtml = `<...>`, inCREDIBLE the kids these days couldn't understand

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      • wyldtom@chaos.socialW wyldtom@chaos.social

        @JadedBlueEyes The comments under this commit make it at least a bit funnier

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        #63

        @wyldtom @JadedBlueEyes for me the funniest part is

        > a serverless architecture where operations disappear, costs scale to zero when idle, and every connection is protected by post-quantum cryptography by default.

        I don't know about the post-quantum cryptography, but I'll grant them that their homeserver is serveless and costs scale to zero (on account of it not existing)

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        • jadedblueeyes@tech.lgbtJ jadedblueeyes@tech.lgbt

          Cloudflare just published a vibe coded blog post claiming they implemented Matrix on cloudflare workers. They didn't, their post and README is AI generated and the code doesn't do any of the core parts of matrix that make it secure and interoperable. Instead it's littered with 'TODO: Check authorisation' and similar

          https://blog.cloudflare.com/serverless-matrix-homeserver-workers/

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          #64

          @JadedBlueEyes ah yes, AI. The technology of the future right?

          ...right??

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          • jadedblueeyes@tech.lgbtJ jadedblueeyes@tech.lgbt

            Cloudflare just published a vibe coded blog post claiming they implemented Matrix on cloudflare workers. They didn't, their post and README is AI generated and the code doesn't do any of the core parts of matrix that make it secure and interoperable. Instead it's littered with 'TODO: Check authorisation' and similar

            https://blog.cloudflare.com/serverless-matrix-homeserver-workers/

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            #65

            @JadedBlueEyes@tech.lgbt

            What in absolute fuck is a serverless server

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            • jadedblueeyes@tech.lgbtJ jadedblueeyes@tech.lgbt

              Cloudflare just published a vibe coded blog post claiming they implemented Matrix on cloudflare workers. They didn't, their post and README is AI generated and the code doesn't do any of the core parts of matrix that make it secure and interoperable. Instead it's littered with 'TODO: Check authorisation' and similar

              https://blog.cloudflare.com/serverless-matrix-homeserver-workers/

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              #66

              @JadedBlueEyes
              They seem to do there Global deployment this way...

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              • elilla@transmom.loveE elilla@transmom.love

                @wyldtom @JadedBlueEyes for me the funniest part is

                > a serverless architecture where operations disappear, costs scale to zero when idle, and every connection is protected by post-quantum cryptography by default.

                I don't know about the post-quantum cryptography, but I'll grant them that their homeserver is serveless and costs scale to zero (on account of it not existing)

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                #67

                @elilla@transmom.love @wyldtom@chaos.social @JadedBlueEyes@tech.lgbt Not even a quantum computer can get your data from the system without authorisation.

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                • jadedblueeyes@tech.lgbtJ jadedblueeyes@tech.lgbt

                  Cloudflare just published a vibe coded blog post claiming they implemented Matrix on cloudflare workers. They didn't, their post and README is AI generated and the code doesn't do any of the core parts of matrix that make it secure and interoperable. Instead it's littered with 'TODO: Check authorisation' and similar

                  https://blog.cloudflare.com/serverless-matrix-homeserver-workers/

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                  #68

                  @JadedBlueEyes aewwwww2 crap

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                  • flesh@transfem.socialF flesh@transfem.social

                    @elilla@transmom.love @wyldtom@chaos.social @JadedBlueEyes@tech.lgbt Not even a quantum computer can get your data from the system without authorisation.

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                    #69

                    @flesh @wyldtom @JadedBlueEyes Cloudflare truly has mastered the definite Matrix security approach (not sending messages at all)

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                    • algernon@come-from.mad-scientist.clubA algernon@come-from.mad-scientist.club

                      @JadedBlueEyes I recently learned that GitHub allows one to view the activity on a repo, and you can limit it to show force pushes only, which in turn allows you to view the diff between the two states too, even if they span multiple commits.

                      It's fun to see what kind of things some companies try to hide. (edit: like the original history, which has some fun commits in there!)

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                      #70

                      @algernon @JadedBlueEyes "Remove PII" is always a banger of a commit to have public. 👌 😂

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                      • joepie91@fedi.slightly.techJ joepie91@fedi.slightly.tech

                        @JadedBlueEyes This is almost a minor criticism in comparison to all the other crap, but I am so sick of companies calling things 'serverless' when what they really mean is "servers, but only ours and they're really opaquely billed and impossible to replace with someone else's servers so you're stuck with us, and also they're managed in a totally custom way so none of your normal sysadmin skills are portable to it but you still have to learn how to manage it"

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                        #71

                        @joepie91@fedi.slightly.tech @JadedBlueEyes@tech.lgbt It seems minor in comparison, because we're so far down along the tracks, but it's still a line we never should have allowed to be crossed.

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                        • kieran@hom.phK kieran@hom.ph

                          @JadedBlueEyes that'll fix it!

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                          #72

                          @kieran @JadedBlueEyes addressed todos, ready to ship!

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                          • jadedblueeyes@tech.lgbtJ jadedblueeyes@tech.lgbt

                            Cloudflare just published a vibe coded blog post claiming they implemented Matrix on cloudflare workers. They didn't, their post and README is AI generated and the code doesn't do any of the core parts of matrix that make it secure and interoperable. Instead it's littered with 'TODO: Check authorisation' and similar

                            https://blog.cloudflare.com/serverless-matrix-homeserver-workers/

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                            #73

                            @JadedBlueEyes It started off okay, mostly because they said it was a proof of concept and an experiment, but then I saw that "it is arguably one of the most secure ways to deploy a homeserver today" and just
                            lmfao

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                            • jadedblueeyes@tech.lgbtJ jadedblueeyes@tech.lgbt

                              Cloudflare just published a vibe coded blog post claiming they implemented Matrix on cloudflare workers. They didn't, their post and README is AI generated and the code doesn't do any of the core parts of matrix that make it secure and interoperable. Instead it's littered with 'TODO: Check authorisation' and similar

                              https://blog.cloudflare.com/serverless-matrix-homeserver-workers/

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                              #74

                              @JadedBlueEyes

                              "build a serverless home server" is the most fucking brainrot, dipshit, nonsense thing ive read in a while

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                              • markasspandi@shrimpnet.gej.petM markasspandi@shrimpnet.gej.pet

                                @JadedBlueEyes It started off okay, mostly because they said it was a proof of concept and an experiment, but then I saw that "it is arguably one of the most secure ways to deploy a homeserver today" and just
                                lmfao

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                                #75

                                @MarkAssPandi They updated the text

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                                • jadedblueeyes@tech.lgbtJ jadedblueeyes@tech.lgbt

                                  Oh look, they’re trying to cover up what they did too

                                  https://github.com/nkuntz1934/matrix-workers/commit/2d3969dd5e795caa3641d0e237e2b52ca0502463

                                  Archive link for posterity:

                                  https://web.archive.org/web/*/https://github.com/nkuntz1934/matrix-workers/commit/2d3969dd5e795caa3641d0e237e2b52ca0502463

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                                  #76

                                  For those coming in now, they updated the blog post to include a disclaimer. Original post:
                                  https://archive.is/AbxU5

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                                  • jadedblueeyes@tech.lgbtJ jadedblueeyes@tech.lgbt

                                    Cloudflare just published a vibe coded blog post claiming they implemented Matrix on cloudflare workers. They didn't, their post and README is AI generated and the code doesn't do any of the core parts of matrix that make it secure and interoperable. Instead it's littered with 'TODO: Check authorisation' and similar

                                    https://blog.cloudflare.com/serverless-matrix-homeserver-workers/

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                                    #77

                                    @JadedBlueEyes Serverless is exactly how matrix shouldve been built anyway. Cuz I dont wanna use this crap anymore.

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                                    • jadedblueeyes@tech.lgbtJ jadedblueeyes@tech.lgbt

                                      This is a core part of the protocol, that's not exactly simple (https://spec.matrix.org/v1.17/server-server-api/#authorization-rules)

                                      They just have TODO comments, and happily accept anything, even if it's blatantly forged

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                                      #78

                                      @JadedBlueEyes lol, "unknown error" should imply the existence of a known error

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                                      • jadedblueeyes@tech.lgbtJ jadedblueeyes@tech.lgbt

                                        Cloudflare just published a vibe coded blog post claiming they implemented Matrix on cloudflare workers. They didn't, their post and README is AI generated and the code doesn't do any of the core parts of matrix that make it secure and interoperable. Instead it's littered with 'TODO: Check authorisation' and similar

                                        https://blog.cloudflare.com/serverless-matrix-homeserver-workers/

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                                        #79

                                        @JadedBlueEyes I know someone Tibet works there that has openly admitted to changing their workflow to `while (testsFailing()) doLlmSlop()` and it really shows.

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                                        • jadedblueeyes@tech.lgbtJ jadedblueeyes@tech.lgbt

                                          For those coming in now, they updated the blog post to include a disclaimer. Original post:
                                          https://archive.is/AbxU5

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                                          #80

                                          [U-turn in the readme, too](https://github.com/nkuntz1934/matrix-workers/commit/fd412f41f98c0f3f360f5c4034443ef80680de49), and an employee trying to do damage control on lobsters too

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