People don’t get that how far a bit of courtesy and effort goes in job hunts.
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Just being a ticket desk volunteer for a few hours and being personable at a local BSides goes so much further than 500 Claude spam messages to strangers on LinkedIn…
@hacks4pancakes started to receive messages from recruiters offering candidates for roles i done manage. They don’t even understand the hierarchy of a university system. Like I make the ids. Not procuring the lunch tables. Getting a lot of the soliciting to remove bad reviews from areas I don’t manage with various action items with otherwise identical text.
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I get so much AI spam related to jobs, and it’s so obvious because AI cannot articulate what my job is at all. “I am so impressed with your work in critical infrastructure intelligence forensics testing” ???
I even get AI headhunted by AI companies who also have no idea what I do. It doesn’t say a lot about the capability of their AI.
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I'm reading this and pondering what the prompt would be other than variations of "go be obnoxious". I think other people's brains work in far different ways to mine. -
Just being a ticket desk volunteer for a few hours and being personable at a local BSides goes so much further than 500 Claude spam messages to strangers on LinkedIn…
@hacks4pancakes linkedin feels like it's only got an audience of bots, and folks who did everything that was ever asked of them but got fucked by the robber-barons nonetheless.
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I get so much AI spam related to jobs, and it’s so obvious because AI cannot articulate what my job is at all. “I am so impressed with your work in critical infrastructure intelligence forensics testing” ???
I even get AI headhunted by AI companies who also have no idea what I do. It doesn’t say a lot about the capability of their AI.
@hacks4pancakes I have a terrible premonition that things are going to get a lot, lot worse before they get better. The need to apply for so many roles to even get one interview means that it's tough to sit there and customise your resume and cover letter over and over and over, when there's a machine Right There that self-proclaimed "experts" giving bad advice claim is the solution to all your problems. That makes it easier to apply for roles, so every role gets more applicants, so it's harder to stand out and get an interview, so everyone is sending out even more applications... it's a very vicious cycle.
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I get so much AI spam related to jobs, and it’s so obvious because AI cannot articulate what my job is at all. “I am so impressed with your work in critical infrastructure intelligence forensics testing” ???
I even get AI headhunted by AI companies who also have no idea what I do. It doesn’t say a lot about the capability of their AI.
@hacks4pancakes I think we anthropomorphise AI tools because of the natural language response. So we are more forgiving than we would be if those tools used a more mechanical tone in generated output.
There's few tech tools that would be so popular with such poor observed results. But if those poor results come from our friendly chatbot, well that's ok.
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People don’t get that how far a bit of courtesy and effort goes in job hunts. I have gifted conference passes, party invites, given referrals, certification vouchers, and internships to mentees who showed up and cared. I’ve also permanently blocklisted people who low effort AI spammed, or no showed.
@hacks4pancakes This is so spot on. I'm not in the same league as you for mentoring (by a long way) but I go above and beyond for mentees for the same reasons.
@ludicity 's podcast with a CISO about the teaching exercises they set for mentees that only one person completed was instructional. (... rest of it was on point too)
There also seems to be a heap of no effort/low effort cover letters now... is that not a thing anymore?
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@hacks4pancakes This is so spot on. I'm not in the same league as you for mentoring (by a long way) but I go above and beyond for mentees for the same reasons.
@ludicity 's podcast with a CISO about the teaching exercises they set for mentees that only one person completed was instructional. (... rest of it was on point too)
There also seems to be a heap of no effort/low effort cover letters now... is that not a thing anymore?
@plasticine_era @hacks4pancakes Cover letters and calling people were how I got ahead when I still sought full-time employment, but I've heard that the cover letter game has been totally upended by GenAI.
I suspect my letters weren't even very good, but managers could at least just filter by whether one was attached at all.
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@plasticine_era @hacks4pancakes Cover letters and calling people were how I got ahead when I still sought full-time employment, but I've heard that the cover letter game has been totally upended by GenAI.
I suspect my letters weren't even very good, but managers could at least just filter by whether one was attached at all.
@plasticine_era @hacks4pancakes Oh, also @Viss was the guy I was talking to and he might opine here.
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@plasticine_era @hacks4pancakes Oh, also @Viss was the guy I was talking to and he might opine here.
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@plasticine_era @hacks4pancakes Cover letters and calling people were how I got ahead when I still sought full-time employment, but I've heard that the cover letter game has been totally upended by GenAI.
I suspect my letters weren't even very good, but managers could at least just filter by whether one was attached at all.
@ludicity @hacks4pancakes Thanks. I suspected that might be the case. We still hand choose all our applications instead of just "Top 20 - AI Survey Says..".
It's so distressing that hiring, being the most important decision you are going to make for your working life and the people working around you, is being gatekept by the word matching machine. I get it takes time away from the normal work to do it properly.... but spend the time FFS!!!
Anyhoo... TED-talking to the converted. Sorry. -
@plasticine_era @ludicity thanks!
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People don’t get that how far a bit of courtesy and effort goes in job hunts. I have gifted conference passes, party invites, given referrals, certification vouchers, and internships to mentees who showed up and cared. I’ve also permanently blocklisted people who low effort AI spammed, or no showed.
@hacks4pancakes
Lots of folks might not realize that any job/gig where you interact with others has a very real “ #CustomerService “ component.I do tech kinda stuff for my “day job” and there’s a large amount of it that is simply getting folks what they need/want, though there are specific skills involved.
#Politeness #listening #kindness etc -
@plasticine_era @ludicity If you can think of anyone who might be able to use our help, please pass along a recco!
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People don’t get that how far a bit of courtesy and effort goes in job hunts. I have gifted conference passes, party invites, given referrals, certification vouchers, and internships to mentees who showed up and cared. I’ve also permanently blocklisted people who low effort AI spammed, or no showed.
Next time a recruiter asks me if they can use AI to work my resume or AI anything, not worth my time a all.
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@plasticine_era @ludicity If you can think of anyone who might be able to use our help, please pass along a recco!
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