I had a request for this one (text provided, believed to be correct, in part based on it being used by an "angry Welsh person") 😆
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@MiaMarkTwo @eclectech I feel “minchia” is much more generic and flexible, like a general expression of surprise or also of disappointment or anger.
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it is formed by 3 different words, "e che cazzo!" , pronounced in one fluid eccheccazzo!@adriano @MiaMarkTwo
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@eclectech @CiaraNi I think it's the case in Scandinavian languages that their proper swear words are all religion-based, rather than, erm, carnal/physical.
@MiaMarkTwo @eclectech That's fairly widespread, I think. In Irish, 'in ainm Dé' is literally 'in the name of God', but in context has the stronger sense of 'for fuck's sake'. Both when said in Irish and in English, given the tone.
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@MiaMarkTwo @eclectech cazzo and minchia both mean “cock” and are interchangeable, yes. But “eccheccazzo” is its own thing.
@adriano @eclectech Oh, I wasn't disagreeing with you! I was just asking because I couldn't quite remember how strong it was.
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@adriano @eclectech Oh, I wasn't disagreeing with you! I was just asking because I couldn't quite remember how strong it was.
@MiaMarkTwo @eclectech oh for sure! At a guess, cazzo feels stronger because the consonant sounds are harsher.
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@eclectech you can say “eccheccazzo!” in Italian to mean ffs. And in Spanish you could use “La puta que lo parió” for this. At least in Argentina.
Respectively, their literal meanings are “which dick?” and “the whore who birthed it”.
@adriano @eclectech my first thought was ma che cazzo, but that looks better like that in one word I have to say
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@eclectech I am not good at this type of language, but I think the Dutch will be Godverdorie, the euphemistic version of Godverdomme ( God damned).
Or does FFS have a different meaning?
Or perhaps other native Dutch speakers know better?@saarmuller @eclectech Godverdomme is what I know. I think Godverdorie is maybe a bit more sanitised?
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I had a request for this one (text provided, believed to be correct, in part based on it being used by an "angry Welsh person")
Considering making this the first in a series. A multilingual collection of "for fuck's sake".
I could eventually make a poster of colourful global disgruntlement.
@eclectech Hmm, in French that would be "Bordel de merde" (≈ brothel of shit), or even "Putain de bordel de merde"(≈ fuck of brothel of shit).
(Or "Nom de dieu" (God's name) if you're less angry, more surprised or don't want to swear, but I think you're maybe not in that configuration ^^.) -
@adriano @eclectech my first thought was ma che cazzo, but that looks better like that in one word I have to say
@adriano @eclectech addendum, specifically for people from Rome: mortacci (lit. dead people, short for li mortacci tua, ie curse be on your damned dead relatives. Sounds more metal than it actually is when you say it in English.)
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@saarmuller @eclectech Godverdomme is what I know. I think Godverdorie is maybe a bit more sanitised?
@Walkaholic @eclectech Yes!
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OK, lets give this a shot. Basically with my linguistics skills I will be able to do ONE more. That would be quite a short series. To make it longer a fedi collaboration will be required
If you fancy helping please let me know how to write "for fuck's sake" in your language (native, or one you're pretty fluent in - no literal translations from machines please).
Of course the big question is whether it's used elsewhere?
It *might* be a very short series
>> let me know how to write "for fuck's sake" in your language (native, or one you're pretty fluent in…). Of course the big question is whether it's used elsewhere?
#forFucksSake isn't used directly in any of the Indic languages I know. My *literally* crude translations:
#Hindi: Chode ke liye — चोद के लिए
#Bengali / #Bangla: Choder janye — চোদের জন্যে
#Gujrati: Chodu khatar — ખોદુ ખાતર
#Punjabi: Chode di khatar — ਚੋਦ ਦੀ ਖ਼ਾਤਰ
#Urdu: Chode ke liye — چود کے لیے (right-to-left)
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I had a request for this one (text provided, believed to be correct, in part based on it being used by an "angry Welsh person")
Considering making this the first in a series. A multilingual collection of "for fuck's sake".
I could eventually make a poster of colourful global disgruntlement.
@eclectech
In German the usual translation might be "verdammt noch mal!" (like damn it).A bit more vulgar could be: "Ja Scheisse!" (well, shit).
I am curious what my fellow Germans come up with, though.
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We are definitely on.
Have already seen that it's not going to be a translation as such, which is fine (and exactly why I wanted to ask Proper Human People).
It is definitely the sense and usage of FFS I'm after.
So... whatever you mutter under your breath when you see the news headlines in the morning, that's what works.
But if you can give me a literal translation too that would be ace - already a couple of interesting ones in the thread
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ffs for me has always been - ferrets farts sake. -
OK, lets give this a shot. Basically with my linguistics skills I will be able to do ONE more. That would be quite a short series. To make it longer a fedi collaboration will be required
If you fancy helping please let me know how to write "for fuck's sake" in your language (native, or one you're pretty fluent in - no literal translations from machines please).
Of course the big question is whether it's used elsewhere?
It *might* be a very short series
@eclectech In Japanese, まったく (mattaku) or まったくもう (mattakumou), which are usually translated "Honestly ... !" or "Good grief!"
From the root really; truly; entirely; completely; wholly; perfectly (according to jisho.org). Becomes FFS depending on the context or intonation.
[Not a native, but I've lived here for decades and have been on both the giving and receiving end of this word.]
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@eclectech you can say “eccheccazzo!” in Italian to mean ffs. And in Spanish you could use “La puta que lo parió” for this. At least in Argentina.
Respectively, their literal meanings are “which dick?” and “the whore who birthed it”.
In Spain's Spanish, the latter sounds weird — expression here is "la madre" (the mother), not "la puta"
I do not recommend either, though; both are used to blame women for what some other shitbag (who's usually a guy) does, and the Argentinian version also insults whores along the way; we got enough shit on our plates without being blamed for others' 🫠
Even if it's used "impersonally" (eg, to the table you just stubbed your pinkie into) it still feels kind of wrong to be implicitly blaming women when they have nothing to do with the issue :3I'd suggest "por todos los cojones" instead.
️That would translate more literally as "for testicles' sake", except, ruder, so I guess it matches.
It's also used on its own the way "fuck" is (such as the pinky-stubbing). And it doesn't blame anyone in the way 
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@MiaMarkTwo @eclectech That's fairly widespread, I think. In Irish, 'in ainm Dé' is literally 'in the name of God', but in context has the stronger sense of 'for fuck's sake'. Both when said in Irish and in English, given the tone.
@CiaraNi @eclectech Sure, but what I meant was that swear words aren't related to sex in the way they are, for example, in French (va te faire foutre/nique ta mère etc).
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OK, lets give this a shot. Basically with my linguistics skills I will be able to do ONE more. That would be quite a short series. To make it longer a fedi collaboration will be required
If you fancy helping please let me know how to write "for fuck's sake" in your language (native, or one you're pretty fluent in - no literal translations from machines please).
Of course the big question is whether it's used elsewhere?
It *might* be a very short series
@eclectech In Scotland, this is shortened to “fuck’s sake”. An angrier version is “get tae fuck”.
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@MiaMarkTwo @eclectech oh for sure! At a guess, cazzo feels stronger because the consonant sounds are harsher.
@adriano @eclectech Yeah, I think you're right. You can really spit out "cazzo" in a way you just can't with "minchia".
Now I'm remembering a few times when I've needed to employ "cazzo" around people who didn't know I spoke Italian
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We are definitely on.
Have already seen that it's not going to be a translation as such, which is fine (and exactly why I wanted to ask Proper Human People).
It is definitely the sense and usage of FFS I'm after.
So... whatever you mutter under your breath when you see the news headlines in the morning, that's what works.
But if you can give me a literal translation too that would be ace - already a couple of interesting ones in the thread
So you want an idiomatic translation rather than a literal one. Makes sense.
I love when people fluent in another language explain an idiom from that language in English. Something like you ask "What's the <language> equivalent of `he couldn't pour piss out of a boot with instructions on the heel`?" and they tell you it's <...> which translates as "His grandmother hid his fish behind the outhouse door" or something like that
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@eclectech
In German the usual translation might be "verdammt noch mal!" (like damn it).A bit more vulgar could be: "Ja Scheisse!" (well, shit).
I am curious what my fellow Germans come up with, though.
@Lojie @eclectech
I would add the more "literal" translation "Verfickt nochmal" and "verflixt nochmal" although I would not use those in the example of the bad news. If it's REALLY bad news one might merge some of the above to "Verfickte Scheiße!" (≈ fucked shit).Also, if you count this as a separate language, in Bavarian I would probably say "Zefix!" (or "Sackradi!" or "Oida!")
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In Spain's Spanish, the latter sounds weird — expression here is "la madre" (the mother), not "la puta"
I do not recommend either, though; both are used to blame women for what some other shitbag (who's usually a guy) does, and the Argentinian version also insults whores along the way; we got enough shit on our plates without being blamed for others' 🫠
Even if it's used "impersonally" (eg, to the table you just stubbed your pinkie into) it still feels kind of wrong to be implicitly blaming women when they have nothing to do with the issue :3I'd suggest "por todos los cojones" instead.
️That would translate more literally as "for testicles' sake", except, ruder, so I guess it matches.
It's also used on its own the way "fuck" is (such as the pinky-stubbing). And it doesn't blame anyone in the way @erin @eclectech absolutely. On the other hand, the minced oaths are “cavolo” (cabbage) and “pucha”.
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