Every time a newcomer posts an introduction and somebody tells them they shouldn’t have joined Mastodon.social and need to move to a different server, an angel loses their wings.
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Every time a newcomer posts an introduction and somebody tells them they shouldn’t have joined Mastodon.social and need to move to a different server, an angel loses their wings.
@CiaraNi Indeed, that's unbearable and I see it all the time.
this might also in part explain why mastodon felt and still feels complex, elitarian and not so fun to many people, when they had to decide where to go after "the diaspora".(also no the best to assault people explaining how they should make their post, why they are using # and alt-text and content warning wrong, etc...
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@psneeze Someone would immediately tell them they pronounced Scone the wrong way.
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@CiaraNi Ah yes, when I finally joined Mastodon.Online after nuking my Twitter and much deliberation (and no knowledge of Fedi) chose it because it was a large instance (find lots of folks fast!), had a good policy/values statement, was run by the org, and seemed most likely to stick around and have dedicated resources for maintnenace and moderation.
Got my share of ugh, why that server did you know X thing about it, etc.
Why no, I didn't, I just fucking got here and know nothing of the inside
@Brett_E_Carlock Sorry you got such an unwelcoming welcome. I think a lot of people choose the bigger 'official' servers for exactly the reasons you describe. That's their free choice, they can move later if they want to, no need to badger them on arrival.
The 'why that server, did you know X thing about it' questions often seem to be in the weeds. They're usually about fairness things like the ethics of big servers in a federation, not crisis things like 'there are fascists on it'.
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@johnlorimer What are the big reasons you decided to stick with Mastodon?
@annika To keep the answer simple - I think it is the only corner of the internet left that is worthwhile. It aligns with my values.
It helps that I am a life long nerd. -
@annika To keep the answer simple - I think it is the only corner of the internet left that is worthwhile. It aligns with my values.
It helps that I am a life long nerd.@johnlorimer @annika I'm only on Mastodon too. I am not a nerd (that I'm aware of), but I like the fact that it's human-sized and full of humans and people actually talk to one another in here. A nice corner of the internet, as you say.
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@CiaraNi two teabags and three minutes in the cup <blows smoking finger guns>
@rgarner Two teabags
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Every time a newcomer posts an introduction and somebody tells them they shouldn’t have joined Mastodon.social and need to move to a different server, an angel loses their wings.
@CiaraNi I'm glad to read that. While I've not introduced myself yet (this might count as such), I am joining the fediverse not by running away from other alternatives but as first experience overall. As it's patently obvious, I'm on the "default" server for two reasons: learn how all this works and to avoid encapsulating in a community where I might not feel well around. Mind you, I have diverse interests and some servers seem to frown upon joining if you not share, as its main, theirs
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@bleistifterin @rgarner Ohmygod are you trying to start a flame war in the Fediverse. Milk in first!
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@Brett_E_Carlock Sorry you got such an unwelcoming welcome. I think a lot of people choose the bigger 'official' servers for exactly the reasons you describe. That's their free choice, they can move later if they want to, no need to badger them on arrival.
The 'why that server, did you know X thing about it' questions often seem to be in the weeds. They're usually about fairness things like the ethics of big servers in a federation, not crisis things like 'there are fascists on it'.
@CiaraNi Yeah, I appreciated the Mastodon onboarding page for allowing me to filter servers by code of conduct, region, etc.
It did miss, as you noted, a lot of the internal fedi cultural notes that, yes, are important, but people simply can not be aware of beforehand as they are not a part of the community.
To be fair to folks, larger instances can trend under-moderated, so all the isms do happen on/from these instances as well.
The Bad Space project from are0h would be excellent to know b4
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@rgarner Two teabags
@CiaraNi I can't *believe* I only learned about this "trick" two weeks ago
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@johnlorimer @annika I'm only on Mastodon too. I am not a nerd (that I'm aware of), but I like the fact that it's human-sized and full of humans and people actually talk to one another in here. A nice corner of the internet, as you say.
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@CiaraNi I'm glad to read that. While I've not introduced myself yet (this might count as such), I am joining the fediverse not by running away from other alternatives but as first experience overall. As it's patently obvious, I'm on the "default" server for two reasons: learn how all this works and to avoid encapsulating in a community where I might not feel well around. Mind you, I have diverse interests and some servers seem to frown upon joining if you not share, as its main, theirs
@CiaraNi I can understand why a tight-knitted community server would not like to have newcomers who do not share their philosophy, however I am still figuring things and not sure which of my interests I'll share or develop here, and entering a given server but being more prolific on another topic, by reading some of their rules, will be disliked, and I don't want that. That's why I am in a "everything but no main topic" server. Given time, I might move on, but hell, I'm only a week old here!
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@johnlorimer @annika I'm only on Mastodon too. I am not a nerd (that I'm aware of), but I like the fact that it's human-sized and full of humans and people actually talk to one another in here. A nice corner of the internet, as you say.
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@CiaraNi That "someone at Proton once said something" sums up so much. There is no winning with some people. We know everything is problematic if you look hard enough. Short of going off grid and living in a cabin in the woods, we've all got to work out our own compromises until things improve.
And some people keep their Twitter accounts so nobody else can use the name and potentially impersonate them. I see no problem in that. I deleted mine, but I see why some people don't.
@beecycling Agreed. I wince every time I see someone attempt a purity test or a Gotcha! on someone who has chosen The Wrong Open-Source Solution for some extremely niche problematic reason that the complainer has worked hard to find in the weeds.
Good point about reasons for not deleting previous accounts. And some don't delete them because they've lost easy access, maybe it was created with a long-gone mail address, so it's easier to just leave it there, unused and defunct.
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@CiaraNi 100% it's Eoghan!
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@bleistifterin @rgarner Ohmygod are you trying to start a flame war in the Fediverse. Milk in first!
@CiaraNi @bleistifterin @rgarner amateurs tea is supposed to hurt, teaspoon of loose leaves, boil for a min and steep for at least 5. The best pull is the stuff that is forgotten for a day at the bottom in the swamp of leaves, almost opaque, caffeine content over 9000, bitter like the soul of a 16y old goth who just got dumped -
@CiaraNi Indeed, that's unbearable and I see it all the time.
this might also in part explain why mastodon felt and still feels complex, elitarian and not so fun to many people, when they had to decide where to go after "the diaspora".(also no the best to assault people explaining how they should make their post, why they are using # and alt-text and content warning wrong, etc...
)@franco_vazza Agreed. It does seem a bit elitarian, like people gatekeeping. And agreed, very much agreed, about people badgering others about alt text and content warnings and the like. Newcomers tend to pick up the idea of using Alt Text naturally after a short while, in my experience, because many people 'lead by example', not because they harangue one another about it.
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Ditto:
'Why are you still on Bluesky too?'
'But did you *delete* your Twitter account?'
’You said you switched to Proton mail too, oh that’s bad, once someone at Proton said something’
It’s nice to see new neighbours move into the Fediverse. It feels unwelcoming to see people immediately interview them about the purity of their intentions. Or telling them You’re Doing It Wrong. They've just arrived on a journey away from Big Tech. Maybe they'd prefer to be offered a seat and a cup of tea.
@CiaraNi I'm on .social. When I joined Mastodon a few weeks ago I didn't know about anything about all the different servers and how to join them.
Now I know a tiny bit more, but I've yet to deside if I'm moving and where to move to.
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