You don't use open source software because it's better (it usually isn't).
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@crankylinuxuser @dbat @mcc he's just agreeing with the post
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@dmaonR I would need a Linux from ~2008 for that, I think.
@LordCaramac The oldest liveCD I could find was Debian5 from 2009. there are 3 binaries in the tgz. all from 1998!. one is windows the other two are linux. I didn't try compiling. the binary src/sapphire maybe works? I don't know what I am looking at.
old debian: https://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/
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@LordCaramac The oldest liveCD I could find was Debian5 from 2009. there are 3 binaries in the tgz. all from 1998!. one is windows the other two are linux. I didn't try compiling. the binary src/sapphire maybe works? I don't know what I am looking at.
old debian: https://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/
@dmaonR I might try using the .exe with Wine. I sometimes use windows binaries from around the turn of the millennium with Wine.
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You don't use open source software because it's better (it usually isn't).
You don't use open source software because it's freer (it only sometimes is).
You don't use open source software because it's got better politics (it isn't always).
You use open source software because *it is the only option*. In the long run, if it isn't open source, it doesn't exist.
image source: keithstack.com
@mcc I use open source software because it's better. Often it's better for the reason you are posting, often it's just higher quality software. Linux for example, is vastly superior to Windows and OSX. 90% of what I use computers for wouldn't even be possible on those operating systems. I have access to expansive open source code libraries that make my computing experience basically what I can imagine doing with a computer.
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You don't use open source software because it's better (it usually isn't).
You don't use open source software because it's freer (it only sometimes is).
You don't use open source software because it's got better politics (it isn't always).
You use open source software because *it is the only option*. In the long run, if it isn't open source, it doesn't exist.
image source: keithstack.com
@mcc Open-source software can cease to exist anytime too - due maintainers burnout under burden of unpaid work, for example. Or by sme other reasons. More chances if project managed by some group of people/organization as foundation with proper measures for longevity.
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You don't use open source software because it's better (it usually isn't).
You don't use open source software because it's freer (it only sometimes is).
You don't use open source software because it's got better politics (it isn't always).
You use open source software because *it is the only option*. In the long run, if it isn't open source, it doesn't exist.
image source: keithstack.com
@mcc I use open source software because I don't trust code I'm not allowed to read. -
@mcc Open-source software can cease to exist anytime too - due maintainers burnout under burden of unpaid work, for example. Or by sme other reasons. More chances if project managed by some group of people/organization as foundation with proper measures for longevity.
@koteisaev @mcc that's literally not true lol, unless you consider active development and updates a prerequisite to "existing". even if a sole maintainer of open source software is hit by a bus the code is still out there in the public and usable. even if there's an attempt made to bury it due to some kind of corporate capture, if it's widely used software it likely exists on many people's computers and in various web archives, and if it's published under an open source license, there is absolutely nothing stopping people from re-uploading it.
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You don't use open source software because it's better (it usually isn't).
You don't use open source software because it's freer (it only sometimes is).
You don't use open source software because it's got better politics (it isn't always).
You use open source software because *it is the only option*. In the long run, if it isn't open source, it doesn't exist.
image source: keithstack.com
@mcc ehh…not really? Some of it is definitely better. Quite a lot of backend software is both open source. Not just that either. There are a lot of instances where you use open source because it’s the best thing out there. I mean I get where you are coming from, but credit where it’s due. IBM doesn’t buy Redhat because it’s second best. Open source is under funded, under appreciated, and to a large extent out of sight, but there is real quality/talent/ideas there.
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@RogerBW @LordCaramac @mcc It doesn't take a group. All it takes someone who goes on a "I can get this working again" frenzy for a weekend. Once it compiles and works again, updating and extending it, is easy.
@attilakinali
As seen in this thread, actually
@RogerBW @LordCaramac @mcc -
As someone who was a true devotee of FutureWave SmartSketch (which became FutureSplash Animator, which became Macromedia Shockwave Flash, which became Adobe Flash, which became Adobe Animator) my sorrow is incalculable. Every day I long for software I had in the 90s which I can't find anything as good as today.
@mcc I developed a web site very early in my career using Future Splash Animator. In some ways the technology was way ahead of its time.
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@mcc Open-source software can cease to exist anytime too - due maintainers burnout under burden of unpaid work, for example. Or by sme other reasons. More chances if project managed by some group of people/organization as foundation with proper measures for longevity.
@koteisaev @mcc the single fact that the source code is available means that if the project was abandoned someone, someday, can pick up where it had stopped.
I agree this is not the case all the time, but the probability for this to happen is a lot higher than a closed source project to be handed to another company / team.
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@tsukaj @mcc @crankylinuxuser yeah, agreeing with post. Miss 90s software and Flash. Amen in this way might be a localism.
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@tsukaj @mcc @crankylinuxuser yeah, agreeing with post. Miss 90s software and Flash. Amen in this way might be a localism.
@tsukaj @crankylinuxuser @dbat I am from the United States South and immediately understood what you meant
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You don't use open source software because it's better (it usually isn't).
You don't use open source software because it's freer (it only sometimes is).
You don't use open source software because it's got better politics (it isn't always).
You use open source software because *it is the only option*. In the long run, if it isn't open source, it doesn't exist.
image source: keithstack.com
Yeah, well. I use open source software because most that I use are better.
So, in my case, they usually are.
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@indigoparadox @Lenni @RogerBW @mcc Thanks. I think the last time I wrote any code in C was some 15 years ago; the entire number of C lines I have written in my life is probably less than 3000, and I have forgotten most of what little I used to know about GCC, and that was ages ago.
I'm much more familiar with Pascal and Python, I suck at Java, and I could probably still do a lot of silly things in GW-BASIC because that's what came with my first MS-DOS PC. I had to learn some Haskell at uni, but I never used it again and forgot almost everything. I also had to learn C++ and forgot most about it, although its similarity to Java means that I probably remember more than I think, but I stink when it comes to C++.
I mostly write single purpose command line tools in Pascal or Python for my own purposes, and most of those get called by bash scripts.@LordCaramac @indigoparadox @Lenni @RogerBW @mcc well, does it work? Don't leave us hanging
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You don't use open source software because it's better (it usually isn't).
You don't use open source software because it's freer (it only sometimes is).
You don't use open source software because it's got better politics (it isn't always).
You use open source software because *it is the only option*. In the long run, if it isn't open source, it doesn't exist.
image source: keithstack.com
@mcc Wrong. 100% wrong. I use FOSS because it is better for almost everything in almost every way.
For proprietary software, the only things I ever want to use, are a little Google Drive (mostly for friends) and Acrobat. Really. That's all. And those both suck because of the embedded slop, the slop that I can't remove that would never exist in FOSS because someone would just take it out or fork.
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@LordCaramac @Lenni @RogerBW @mcc this looks a lot like csound.
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You don't use open source software because it's better (it usually isn't).
You don't use open source software because it's freer (it only sometimes is).
You don't use open source software because it's got better politics (it isn't always).
You use open source software because *it is the only option*. In the long run, if it isn't open source, it doesn't exist.
image source: keithstack.com
But Open Source isn't so much the point about this message by Adobe.
The point is not to use a Cloud service you do not have control over and not to use software via subscription.
Because you could always use old hardware, an old OS, not being connected to the Internet for safety reasons, to run old software you need. Or you could do it in something like VirtualBox.
Open source, is it easier with that respect? It depends… there is also old open source software that will not run on your current system, because dependencies have changed / cannot be provided any more, and lots of other stuff. And if you do not know how to compile from source, resolving dependencies manually, it's of no use for you.
Anyways… this Adobe message basically means: Better think twice before you marry. People somehow forget common wisdom when it comes to computers.
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@mcc@mastodon.social What Adobe is doing to Animate is like if Microsoft suddenly shot Windows in the nuts and then said it would be dead in five minutes.
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You don't use open source software because it's better (it usually isn't).
You don't use open source software because it's freer (it only sometimes is).
You don't use open source software because it's got better politics (it isn't always).
You use open source software because *it is the only option*. In the long run, if it isn't open source, it doesn't exist.
image source: keithstack.com
@mcc I actually use Free Software because it's better.
