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  • sylvie@gabriel.havfruefestning.comS sylvie@gabriel.havfruefestning.com

    @zackwhittaker I was just about to toot about the weirdness of this feature. It has a summary "that let's you go back in time for 15 seconds", but also, somehow, "Privacy is protected at every step. These audio intelligence features do not create or store audio recordings."

    These back to back statements are at odds with each other unless there's some slimey technicality legalese that allow them to be true like 'we write a transcript which technically isn't an audio recording'

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    #30

    @sylvie @zackwhittaker
    "unless there's some slimey technicality legalese that allow them to be true like 'we write a transcript which technically isn't an audio recording'"

    You nailed it.

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    • zackwhittaker@mastodon.socialZ zackwhittaker@mastodon.social

      Watching this Apple event tout how iPhones will soon be able to record ambient audio/conversations and transcribe "high level notes" for you. It's billed as private and end-to-end encrypted, but I think the bigger harm is the normalization of always-listening devices. It's creepy and not normal.

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      #31

      @zackwhittaker

      My LG TV already does half of this.

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      • sylvie@gabriel.havfruefestning.comS sylvie@gabriel.havfruefestning.com

        @zackwhittaker I was just about to toot about the weirdness of this feature. It has a summary "that let's you go back in time for 15 seconds", but also, somehow, "Privacy is protected at every step. These audio intelligence features do not create or store audio recordings."

        These back to back statements are at odds with each other unless there's some slimey technicality legalese that allow them to be true like 'we write a transcript which technically isn't an audio recording'

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        #32

        @sylvie @zackwhittaker Well, let me ask you something: do you stream movies, or do you download and wipe movies by the terms of a contract over which you had no say?

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        • zackwhittaker@mastodon.socialZ zackwhittaker@mastodon.social

          Watching this Apple event tout how iPhones will soon be able to record ambient audio/conversations and transcribe "high level notes" for you. It's billed as private and end-to-end encrypted, but I think the bigger harm is the normalization of always-listening devices. It's creepy and not normal.

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          #33

          @zackwhittaker The worst part is the "How Audio Intelligence features protect the privacy of those nearby" which is just "we don't record who said it, but you still get to read anything we captured them saying".

          So in other words, it doesn't protect their privacy at all.

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          • _scottd@mastodon.social_ _scottd@mastodon.social

            @zackwhittaker You’re not wrong. I think as a society we’re about to have to navigate a whole lot of invasive technology. Be it Meta’s pervert glasses or an always on bugging device in someone’s pocket.

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            #34

            @_scottd @zackwhittaker

            I think it is time to add this kind of tech to the long list of illegal technologies: CFC, asbestos, DDT, human cloning, DMCA circumventing devices and software...

            It is never 100% effective, but it always helps A LOT.

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            • zackwhittaker@mastodon.socialZ zackwhittaker@mastodon.social

              Watching this Apple event tout how iPhones will soon be able to record ambient audio/conversations and transcribe "high level notes" for you. It's billed as private and end-to-end encrypted, but I think the bigger harm is the normalization of always-listening devices. It's creepy and not normal.

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              #35

              @zackwhittaker I've got some bad news for you re: existing iPhone technology

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              • zackwhittaker@mastodon.socialZ zackwhittaker@mastodon.social

                Watching this Apple event tout how iPhones will soon be able to record ambient audio/conversations and transcribe "high level notes" for you. It's billed as private and end-to-end encrypted, but I think the bigger harm is the normalization of always-listening devices. It's creepy and not normal.

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                #36

                @zackwhittaker Apple's done. Nothing new, fascist, obedient to tyrants. Toast.

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                • zackwhittaker@mastodon.socialZ zackwhittaker@mastodon.social

                  Watching this Apple event tout how iPhones will soon be able to record ambient audio/conversations and transcribe "high level notes" for you. It's billed as private and end-to-end encrypted, but I think the bigger harm is the normalization of always-listening devices. It's creepy and not normal.

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                  #37

                  @zackwhittaker not available in the EU right? Right?

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                  • zackwhittaker@mastodon.socialZ zackwhittaker@mastodon.social

                    Watching this Apple event tout how iPhones will soon be able to record ambient audio/conversations and transcribe "high level notes" for you. It's billed as private and end-to-end encrypted, but I think the bigger harm is the normalization of always-listening devices. It's creepy and not normal.

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                    #38

                    @zackwhittaker

                    Always listening/recording = always surveilling.

                    Thanks, Apple, for making the decision to seek out another phone so much easier.

                    I want a phone, not a tether. I don't want my phone creating a 24/7 record of what goes on around me, day or night, not even after I've eaten Taylor Farms lettuce.

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                    • zackwhittaker@mastodon.socialZ zackwhittaker@mastodon.social

                      Watching this Apple event tout how iPhones will soon be able to record ambient audio/conversations and transcribe "high level notes" for you. It's billed as private and end-to-end encrypted, but I think the bigger harm is the normalization of always-listening devices. It's creepy and not normal.

                      sellathechemist@mastodon.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #39

                      @zackwhittaker I forsee requests to leave your phones at the door. A bit like those legendary swingers parties with car keys…. 😜

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                      • zackwhittaker@mastodon.socialZ zackwhittaker@mastodon.social

                        Watching this Apple event tout how iPhones will soon be able to record ambient audio/conversations and transcribe "high level notes" for you. It's billed as private and end-to-end encrypted, but I think the bigger harm is the normalization of always-listening devices. It's creepy and not normal.

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                        #40

                        @zackwhittaker

                        Lots of places have "two party" (or "all party") consent laws for recording audio. I am eagerly awaiting the lawsuits. And have been for a while, now

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                        • zackwhittaker@mastodon.socialZ zackwhittaker@mastodon.social

                          Watching this Apple event tout how iPhones will soon be able to record ambient audio/conversations and transcribe "high level notes" for you. It's billed as private and end-to-end encrypted, but I think the bigger harm is the normalization of always-listening devices. It's creepy and not normal.

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                          #41

                          @zackwhittaker Yeah, it's super creepy, def not OK and very much anti-privacy for the person(s) being recorded essentially without knowledge.

                          What they're doing there is encrypting a conversation for the person who records it in effect, whilst giving absolutely no right of consent to the other party. Super dooper creepy and really really not good.

                          This is REALLY not a good look.

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                          • zackwhittaker@mastodon.socialZ zackwhittaker@mastodon.social

                            Watching this Apple event tout how iPhones will soon be able to record ambient audio/conversations and transcribe "high level notes" for you. It's billed as private and end-to-end encrypted, but I think the bigger harm is the normalization of always-listening devices. It's creepy and not normal.

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                            #42

                            @zackwhittaker I mean it's good to practice security culture, where you don't idly talk about anything sensitive unless necessary, but this takes it to more of a "I need you to strip naked and join me in this soundproof room before we can talk about personal stuff just in case" scenario, which I am not emotionally prepared for. I mean, aside from a few close friends, obvs.

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                            • zackwhittaker@mastodon.socialZ zackwhittaker@mastodon.social

                              Watching this Apple event tout how iPhones will soon be able to record ambient audio/conversations and transcribe "high level notes" for you. It's billed as private and end-to-end encrypted, but I think the bigger harm is the normalization of always-listening devices. It's creepy and not normal.

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                              #43

                              @zackwhittaker @steltenpower I remember when these events were fun

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                              • zackwhittaker@mastodon.socialZ zackwhittaker@mastodon.social

                                Watching this Apple event tout how iPhones will soon be able to record ambient audio/conversations and transcribe "high level notes" for you. It's billed as private and end-to-end encrypted, but I think the bigger harm is the normalization of always-listening devices. It's creepy and not normal.

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                                #44

                                @zackwhittaker end-to-end like in whatsapp where all the governments in the world can see everything but it's secure somehow

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                                • zackwhittaker@mastodon.socialZ zackwhittaker@mastodon.social

                                  Watching this Apple event tout how iPhones will soon be able to record ambient audio/conversations and transcribe "high level notes" for you. It's billed as private and end-to-end encrypted, but I think the bigger harm is the normalization of always-listening devices. It's creepy and not normal.

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                                  #45

                                  @zackwhittaker We need Benn Jordan's microphone jammer: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/LOO3A1aLnUM

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                                  • zackwhittaker@mastodon.socialZ zackwhittaker@mastodon.social

                                    Watching this Apple event tout how iPhones will soon be able to record ambient audio/conversations and transcribe "high level notes" for you. It's billed as private and end-to-end encrypted, but I think the bigger harm is the normalization of always-listening devices. It's creepy and not normal.

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                                    #46

                                    @zackwhittaker I'm so tired of this limitless specter of productivity, especially in relation to expanding behaviors that limit user privacy.

                                    I'm switching to grapheneOS when my current phone croaks.

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                                    • vikki@know.me.ukV vikki@know.me.uk

                                      @zackwhittaker Yeah, it's super creepy, def not OK and very much anti-privacy for the person(s) being recorded essentially without knowledge.

                                      What they're doing there is encrypting a conversation for the person who records it in effect, whilst giving absolutely no right of consent to the other party. Super dooper creepy and really really not good.

                                      This is REALLY not a good look.

                                      kleines_z@queer.groupK This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      #47

                                      @vikki @zackwhittaker
                                      Do I really need to check if someone has a new-ish IPhone before I talk to them, so I can show them that paper note I always carry with me that says: "You must put your spying device somewhere out of microphone reach before I talk to you at all"?

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                                      • zackwhittaker@mastodon.socialZ zackwhittaker@mastodon.social

                                        Watching this Apple event tout how iPhones will soon be able to record ambient audio/conversations and transcribe "high level notes" for you. It's billed as private and end-to-end encrypted, but I think the bigger harm is the normalization of always-listening devices. It's creepy and not normal.

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                                        #48

                                        @zackwhittaker
                                        I cannot emphasize enough how much I hate this.

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                                        • zackwhittaker@mastodon.socialZ zackwhittaker@mastodon.social

                                          Watching this Apple event tout how iPhones will soon be able to record ambient audio/conversations and transcribe "high level notes" for you. It's billed as private and end-to-end encrypted, but I think the bigger harm is the normalization of always-listening devices. It's creepy and not normal.

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                                          #49

                                          @zackwhittaker there are no words for how not happy, jazzed, or cool i am with this

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