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  3. i've heard a few times that "waymos will make streets safer" so i went and looked up sf's traffic fatality statistics and they're pretty much identical

i've heard a few times that "waymos will make streets safer" so i went and looked up sf's traffic fatality statistics and they're pretty much identical

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  • tef@mastodon.socialT tef@mastodon.social

    i've heard a few times that "waymos will make streets safer" so i went and looked up sf's traffic fatality statistics and they're pretty much identical

    i mean, there is a slight increase over the last two years but there's sufficient variance to avoid suggesting a trend

    as i understand it, waymos tend to take people off busses and other forms of transit, rather than out of their own cars

    so i'm doubtful it will lower deaths on the road, just the number of busses

    matt@proud.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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    #21

    @tef The Waymo vehicles mimic human drivers too well: loitering and blocking crosswalks for right on red and tailgating cyclists on the road. Folks will say “gotcha; they’re safe,” but this misses a bigger intangible: these vehicles are a fucking nuisance and clog the road. Being safer than a human while being more plentiful and annoying is not a significant improvement.

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    • tef@mastodon.socialT tef@mastodon.social

      we're destroying the open web

      we're burning down the closest thing i've ever seen in my life to the library of alexandria

      and people are explaining to me how warm it keeps their hands, and maybe, in the future, the ashes will contain the secrets of the universe

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      #22

      @tef unfortunately, the original Big Web Dream began to die with the advent of mobile-first and social media. Now its death is only accelerating. Read @timbl's book about that.

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      • tef@mastodon.socialT tef@mastodon.social

        we're destroying the open web

        we're burning down the closest thing i've ever seen in my life to the library of alexandria

        and people are explaining to me how warm it keeps their hands, and maybe, in the future, the ashes will contain the secrets of the universe

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        #23

        @tef The operative word here is”open”, it is not possible to extract rent from an open resource, as western societies are built on rent extraction the open web had to go.

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        • tef@mastodon.socialT tef@mastodon.social

          sure enough machine translation has reasonably proven itself as a mostly public good, albeit at the expense of the translation industry

          so i am aware that good things can come with bad prices, but i haven't really seen much good and i am seeing a lot of bad things

          it literally breaks my heart that the public web now sits behind a proof of work system, forcing strangers to mine coins to buy access to webpages

          because a bunch of tech companies are desperate for an poison-free training set

          flyingmana@phpc.socialF This user is from outside of this forum
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          #24

          @tef translations are alreaddy getting notable worse by this. Its in some cases clearly visible there is nonhuman involved anymore.

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          • endlessmason@hachyderm.ioE endlessmason@hachyderm.io

            @tef

            What's the point of working long hours, there's only so much you can do to a wheat field

            https://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/users/rauch/worktime/hours_workweek.html

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            #25

            @EndlessMason @tef "The origin point for nearly all of those 'you work harder than a medieval peasant' memes and articles is Juliet Schor’s The Overworked American (1993). The argument has been debunked quite a few times…" — https://acoup.blog/2025/09/05/collections-life-work-death-and-the-peasant-part-ivb-working-days/

            tef@mastodon.socialT endlessmason@hachyderm.ioE misusecase@twit.socialM thesquirrelfish@sfba.socialT 4 Replies Last reply
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            • tef@mastodon.socialT tef@mastodon.social

              sure enough machine translation has reasonably proven itself as a mostly public good, albeit at the expense of the translation industry

              so i am aware that good things can come with bad prices, but i haven't really seen much good and i am seeing a lot of bad things

              it literally breaks my heart that the public web now sits behind a proof of work system, forcing strangers to mine coins to buy access to webpages

              because a bunch of tech companies are desperate for an poison-free training set

              thierna@mastodon.greenT This user is from outside of this forum
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              #26

              @tef machine translation is only helpful if you cant speak a language and want to understand someone.

              I once ordered some stuff of a czech homepage and was really happy the machine translation was there to help me make sense of words.

              but machine translation is nothing that can be used without someone who knows context, style, humor, etc. if you want to convey the meaning, need to 100% sure or culturally accurate. KI can do none of this. Professional Translators can.

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              • thierna@mastodon.greenT thierna@mastodon.green

                @tef machine translation is only helpful if you cant speak a language and want to understand someone.

                I once ordered some stuff of a czech homepage and was really happy the machine translation was there to help me make sense of words.

                but machine translation is nothing that can be used without someone who knows context, style, humor, etc. if you want to convey the meaning, need to 100% sure or culturally accurate. KI can do none of this. Professional Translators can.

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                #27

                @thierna @tef also machine translation is only available between some languages - if you need a language that th machines don’t know it is likely worse than useless.

                There is also a really dark pattern today where translations are shown before the original language - and it is really easy to not see that it is a translation (not just happening with - also with videos)

                I hate when gmail or google search translates stuff before showing me the original (and also that multilingual search is bad)

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                • tef@mastodon.socialT tef@mastodon.social

                  i've heard a few times that "waymos will make streets safer" so i went and looked up sf's traffic fatality statistics and they're pretty much identical

                  i mean, there is a slight increase over the last two years but there's sufficient variance to avoid suggesting a trend

                  as i understand it, waymos tend to take people off busses and other forms of transit, rather than out of their own cars

                  so i'm doubtful it will lower deaths on the road, just the number of busses

                  scott@carfree.cityS This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #28

                  @tef they also do stuff like this every day!
                  https://carfree.city/@scott/116427976509574244
                  controlling for speed and street type, I think they’re less safe than the median driver.

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                  • rycaut@mastodon.socialR rycaut@mastodon.social

                    @thierna @tef also machine translation is only available between some languages - if you need a language that th machines don’t know it is likely worse than useless.

                    There is also a really dark pattern today where translations are shown before the original language - and it is really easy to not see that it is a translation (not just happening with - also with videos)

                    I hate when gmail or google search translates stuff before showing me the original (and also that multilingual search is bad)

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                    #29

                    @Rycaut @thierna this is why i said "mostly" in the post you're both replying to, where i talk about how some things have negative consequences, like the ones you are elaborating

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                    • vfig@mastodon.gamedev.placeV vfig@mastodon.gamedev.place

                      @EndlessMason @tef "The origin point for nearly all of those 'you work harder than a medieval peasant' memes and articles is Juliet Schor’s The Overworked American (1993). The argument has been debunked quite a few times…" — https://acoup.blog/2025/09/05/collections-life-work-death-and-the-peasant-part-ivb-working-days/

                      tef@mastodon.socialT This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #30

                      @vfig @EndlessMason the point i was making in the post is that timekeeping, albeit good, has also been used as a means of control, and i am using the meme of a medieval peasant to satirise the belief that technology will save us

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                      • flyingmana@phpc.socialF flyingmana@phpc.social

                        @tef translations are alreaddy getting notable worse by this. Its in some cases clearly visible there is nonhuman involved anymore.

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                        #31

                        @Flyingmana this is why i said mostly and also talked about negative consequences

                        albeit without elaborating them

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                        • tef@mastodon.socialT tef@mastodon.social

                          the simple answer is that none of the good futures we imagine happen by accident. and none of the people with power can be trusted to make better things happen

                          and now i'm asking myself if medieval peasants looked at the clock in the bell tower and told each other

                          "in the future, we'll have a weekend off, as they'll be able to see how long and hard we've worked"

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                          #32

                          @tef if I read the accounts right, people were not friendly towards the idea of going from time boss to time slave. From "I'll produce exactly how much I need in my own time" to "thou shalt go on working till the bell tolls, and after the second bell, all lights out"

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                          • klara@drupal.communityK klara@drupal.community

                            @tef if I read the accounts right, people were not friendly towards the idea of going from time boss to time slave. From "I'll produce exactly how much I need in my own time" to "thou shalt go on working till the bell tolls, and after the second bell, all lights out"

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                            #33

                            @Klara see also wat tyler i guess

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                            • tef@mastodon.socialT tef@mastodon.social

                              the worst bit? i still like machine learning, i still think stochastic approaches can have benefits

                              but if i wrote software that pushed vulnerable teenagers to suicide, or enabled people to sexually harass strangers with pornographic forgeries

                              i would take a step back from the keyboard and ask my good buddy hans, "are we the baddies"

                              or at least, i hope i'd ask those hard questions

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                              #34

                              @tef I think the first part is one of the things that makes me extra angry. Much of what is now called "AI" is not exactly new or novel, we have used machine learning and generally stochastic approaches for ages, and it's great. I have applications where I can specifically activate a machine learning approach and it makes sense. But the lens of capitalism has 'forced' the companies to now slap a butthole next to the label, add a buzzword-adjective like "deep" and make it an "AI"-feature to compete. This sucks, I want to be happy using good software, not feel shame, leave us alone, fuck off with your capitalism

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                              • tef@mastodon.socialT tef@mastodon.social

                                sure enough machine translation has reasonably proven itself as a mostly public good, albeit at the expense of the translation industry

                                so i am aware that good things can come with bad prices, but i haven't really seen much good and i am seeing a lot of bad things

                                it literally breaks my heart that the public web now sits behind a proof of work system, forcing strangers to mine coins to buy access to webpages

                                because a bunch of tech companies are desperate for an poison-free training set

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                                #35

                                @tef@mastodon.social

                                Machine translation is not even close to being decent in most (if not all) fields and language combinations. It is a useful tool for understanding the idea behind some text in another language, but mostly for personal (I'd say "irrelevant") cases. Any more than that and it's pretty obvious that professional translators are still needed. In technical fields, companies would have to trust a computer to translate things faithfully without making them liable to possible legal issues, for example. In more creative fields, the machine translated texts are lacking and do not transmit the intent of the original. Languages are not tools, they are culture and, thus, a machine won't be able to properly translate something. So, even in a field where "AI" has already "won", it's not that useful.

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                                • gisgeek@floss.socialG gisgeek@floss.social

                                  @tef unfortunately, the original Big Web Dream began to die with the advent of mobile-first and social media. Now its death is only accelerating. Read @timbl's book about that.

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                                  #36

                                  Hi @gisgeek @tef,
                                  #platforms. And they owe a lot to #sunsetting #Google #Reader.

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                                  • tef@mastodon.socialT tef@mastodon.social

                                    we're destroying the open web

                                    we're burning down the closest thing i've ever seen in my life to the library of alexandria

                                    and people are explaining to me how warm it keeps their hands, and maybe, in the future, the ashes will contain the secrets of the universe

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                                    #37

                                    @tef@mastodon.social i apologize for just jumping in here but i want to back up just how literal this destruction is. despite me using an ai blocker, my server is now at a constant 50%+ cpu usage, most of which coming from caddy and thus being unavoidable for me unless i write my own reverse proxy too (not too unlikely i suppose, but either way).

                                    i am now experiencing up to 300-something requests per second that are confirmed to be coming from llm scrapers, usually hovering around 185 with regular spikes to 250. that means an average of 16 million requests per day. this translates to over 99.7% of requests to my sites coming from scrapers.

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                                    • tef@mastodon.socialT tef@mastodon.social

                                      i've heard a few times that "waymos will make streets safer" so i went and looked up sf's traffic fatality statistics and they're pretty much identical

                                      i mean, there is a slight increase over the last two years but there's sufficient variance to avoid suggesting a trend

                                      as i understand it, waymos tend to take people off busses and other forms of transit, rather than out of their own cars

                                      so i'm doubtful it will lower deaths on the road, just the number of busses

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                                      #38

                                      @tef

                                      This study has a lot of data and finds Waymo's safer for certain kinds of crashes...

                                      https://www.sciencedirect.com/org/science/article/pii/S1538958825000815

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                                      • tef@mastodon.socialT tef@mastodon.social

                                        @otakup0pe when i visited the internet archive back in 2013, i took the tour

                                        a big part of the speech involved "the natural enemy of libraries are governments" and explaining who or what would most likely see the death of the archive

                                        and joking "we hope that by being in a church, they might have some second thoughts"

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                                        #39

                                        Since the 90s, if not 80s in the US, there has been a global offensive by federalized global (western) capital against EVERYTHING #public to be confiscated, liquidated, and privatized.

                                        Why would "PUBLIC" #libraries escape this offensive. In most constitutions except for dictatorships and monarchies, to convert anything public to private you have to violate the access rights by ALL HUMANS, not even just citizens/residents

                                        Pseudo environmental #GreenEnergy campaigns have been just a cover-up for this constitutional violation, converting public land/water-bodies into private "lots".

                                        "Governments" are not the enemies of libraries, governments hostage to economic elites and processes are enemies of people (working people, the working poor). Unless we are to devolve to the ultimate fascism of the survival of the fittest (and best armed) .. we ... people .. collectively will need to govern our communities and protect our own rights.

                                        Something that capitalism is violently opposing and destroying the possibility of.

                                        @tef @otakup0pe

                                        #libertarian #communalism / #communism

                                        #antifa (true antifascism is anti-capaitalism as fascism is nothing more than anti-communism)

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                                        • tudbut@social.tudbut.deT tudbut@social.tudbut.de

                                          @tef@mastodon.social i apologize for just jumping in here but i want to back up just how literal this destruction is. despite me using an ai blocker, my server is now at a constant 50%+ cpu usage, most of which coming from caddy and thus being unavoidable for me unless i write my own reverse proxy too (not too unlikely i suppose, but either way).

                                          i am now experiencing up to 300-something requests per second that are confirmed to be coming from llm scrapers, usually hovering around 185 with regular spikes to 250. that means an average of 16 million requests per day. this translates to over 99.7% of requests to my sites coming from scrapers.

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                                          #40

                                          @tudbut @tef i don't even look at my iocaine logs any more and rely on people who can't get in contacting me

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