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  • xchaos@f.czX xchaos@f.cz

    @Floppy ok, so you have certain percentage of fascist-made-but-still-free-code, which you can fork.

    But with corporate infrastructure, fsscists can take over everything and you have no longer right to fork.

    As long as it is free and open source, it is just that you are perphaps using something made by someone who turned out to be asshole later, but it works and will work. With true fascists, you are inside concentration camp and has to subdue to whatever the camp fuhrer tells you to do.

    However you may dislike this, fascism is a system: system of hierarchy, control and power. Something like "standalone fascist" is nonsense. Someone with stupid behaviour and ideas, if not organized, is just asshole, not "fascist".

    Fascism is working, deadly social machinery - not individual psychiv disorder.

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    #60

    @xChaos I should have acknowledged that you are absolutely correct, that by definition, 'fascism' REQUIRES cooperation, or it's just one screaming nut job everyone's free to ignore.

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    • floppy@mastodon.me.ukF floppy@mastodon.me.uk

      Modern Dependency Problems (with apologies and thanks to XKCD)

      Probably needs more arrows, tbh

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      #61

      @Floppy Superimpose this over the "project of a trans furry" one and you realize that nobody can win in this situation.

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      • janvenetor@mastodontti.fiJ janvenetor@mastodontti.fi

        @fazalmajid @kfdm @Floppy see the linked book, skills do not factor in it per the research.

        "We find that engineers are no more likely than other graduates to cover technical roles, such as bomb making [...] What engineers learn at university is unlikely to make them more practically proficient at bomb making than former military or car mechanics. [...] many non-Islamist extremist groups have been skillful at bomb making without engineers in their ranks."

        #politics

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        #62

        @janvenetor @fazalmajid @kfdm @Floppy Any farmer can build a bomb in multiple ways. It's a practical skill you just acquire. Some will even have a stock of detonators and shit. Often that's improvised...dangerously.

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        • floppy@mastodon.me.ukF floppy@mastodon.me.uk

          Modern Dependency Problems (with apologies and thanks to XKCD)

          Probably needs more arrows, tbh

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          #63

          @Floppy As a software engineer, I just now had to look up what this was in reference to, I assume neovim? I do not think a tiny handful of people running completely forgettable projects should be suggested to represent MANY ACTUALLY important projects...

          I've never used neovim. I don't know anyone that has ever used neovim. That isn't critical infrastructure. It's one of the tiny blocks on the upper right corner supporting literally nothing.

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          • floppy@mastodon.me.ukF floppy@mastodon.me.uk

            Modern Dependency Problems (with apologies and thanks to XKCD)

            Probably needs more arrows, tbh

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            #64

            @Floppy is there a list? I can think of:
            - Ruby on Rails
            - Omarchy
            - Xlibre

            Any others?

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            • jigend@mastodon.socialJ jigend@mastodon.social

              @Floppy As a software engineer, I just now had to look up what this was in reference to, I assume neovim? I do not think a tiny handful of people running completely forgettable projects should be suggested to represent MANY ACTUALLY important projects...

              I've never used neovim. I don't know anyone that has ever used neovim. That isn't critical infrastructure. It's one of the tiny blocks on the upper right corner supporting literally nothing.

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              #65

              @JigenD neovim has become the most popular fork of vim, millions of developers have vim deeply integrated into their workflows as their primary tool - it has always been just as capable as any IDE but much more flexible

              this isn't a nothing tool, it is as fundamental as curl or rsync or ripgrep

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              • vvilhelmus@mastodon.socialV vvilhelmus@mastodon.social

                @Floppy
                Isn't putting labels on contributors fascism in itself?

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                #66

                @vvilhelmus @Floppy yet you participate in society. curious!

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                • wesdym@mastodon.socialW wesdym@mastodon.social

                  @gustavommg 2/ In 1919, Mussolini founded his own 'fasces' group, the Italian Fasces of Combat, renamed the National Fascist Party two years later. At the time, the fasces was more commonly associated with leftist movements. It's only an accident of history that it became associated with right-wing thuggery. (Kind of like how it's only an accident of history that that swastika, perhaps the oldest known human symbol there is, and one of the most universal, became a hated symbol in the West.)

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                  #67

                  @wesdym Thank your the information I did not know all the details.

                  I believe people of his era classified him Fascist to distinguish them as different from mainstream, people that didn’t use Fasci in its older organizational form.

                  As time went on they used word Fascist as adjective of noun Party.

                  As for Hitler and swastika, he joined German Worker’s Party as military spy in 1920s.

                  Late 1800s, Herzl created a vision for State of Israel, nationalism.

                  Copied, inverted, confused.

                  #WeResistWar

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                  • floppy@mastodon.me.ukF floppy@mastodon.me.uk

                    Modern Dependency Problems (with apologies and thanks to XKCD)

                    Probably needs more arrows, tbh

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                    #68

                    @Floppy You could interchange fascist with whatever political movement you don't agree with. Are we to say that Stalin was a great guy after all? Communists were worse! Look at what they've done in Kommiefornia.

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                    • floppy@mastodon.me.ukF floppy@mastodon.me.uk

                      Modern Dependency Problems (with apologies and thanks to XKCD)

                      Probably needs more arrows, tbh

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                      #69

                      @Floppy Still kind of new here -- but it seems to me the tin-foil hat guys, that did not wanted to be fascist have closed their X-accounts and came here. It is sure just a minute before someone calls Linus a tech-fascist because he calls AI just another tool...

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                      • jadedarko@hachyderm.ioJ jadedarko@hachyderm.io

                        @JigenD neovim has become the most popular fork of vim, millions of developers have vim deeply integrated into their workflows as their primary tool - it has always been just as capable as any IDE but much more flexible

                        this isn't a nothing tool, it is as fundamental as curl or rsync or ripgrep

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                        #70

                        @jadedarko Not really comparable as neovim is not foundational, the infrastructure doesn't rely on it at any point (only some users prefer it), and it is not used by the majority of users. It's ultimately a replaceable high level tool, like Brave browser or the Git CLI, mpv.

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                        • jigend@mastodon.socialJ jigend@mastodon.social

                          @jadedarko Not really comparable as neovim is not foundational, the infrastructure doesn't rely on it at any point (only some users prefer it), and it is not used by the majority of users. It's ultimately a replaceable high level tool, like Brave browser or the Git CLI, mpv.

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                          #71

                          @jadedarko mainly I don't want to give fascists more credit than they deserve. It's a tiny sliver of a tiny population that thankfully does NOT infest the infrastructure.

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                          • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                            @citadel9 @JdeBP @Floppy if you think you have the option not to be, lucky you

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                            #72

                            @davidgerard @JdeBP @Floppy All I can say is "Hang All Politicians."

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                            • H hypolite@friendica.mrpetovan.com
                              @citadel9 @JdeBP @Floppy Everybody is involved in politics in the first place. It mostly boils down to which side of the coin you're falling on. Some people delude themselves thinking they can stand on the side of the coin.
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                              #73

                              @hypolite @Floppy @JdeBP That sucks. We need to get rid of politics as a whole. We have better shit to worry about. Such as when are we getting Nuclear Energy World Wide? When are we building a Dyson Fleet? Colonizing other planets? Exploring space? Exploring the ideas of transhumanism? Bio-enhancing human intellect with the power of technology? Etc.

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                              • flesh@transfem.socialF flesh@transfem.social

                                @citadel9@cyberplace.social @JdeBP@mastodon.me.uk @Floppy@mastodon.me.uk I mean, everyone developing software is involved in politics by default.

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                                #74

                                @flesh @Floppy @JdeBP Explain how software is political because for the love of me I cannoy understand how writing

                                print("Hello World");

                                is a political statement.

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                                • christo_459@mastodon.me.ukC christo_459@mastodon.me.uk

                                  @AndyDearden @citadel9 @JdeBP @Floppy
                                  Life is political

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                                  #75

                                  @Christo_459 @AndyDearden @JdeBP @Floppy Politics should've never existed honestly.

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                                  • hjvt@hachyderm.ioH hjvt@hachyderm.io

                                    @citadel9 @JdeBP @Floppy
                                    Everyone is involved in politics by virtue of living in a society.

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                                    #76

                                    @hjvt @JdeBP @Floppy Sucks. I don't think it is possible for me to live outside of the society but still be involved with technology.

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                                    • vvilhelmus@mastodon.socialV vvilhelmus@mastodon.social

                                      @Floppy
                                      Isn't putting labels on contributors fascism in itself?

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                                      #77
                                      @Wilhelmus No, that is not what fascism is.
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                                      • fluidlogic@oldbytes.spaceF fluidlogic@oldbytes.space

                                        @citadel9 @JdeBP @Floppy depends what you mean by 'politics'; all your actions are political. Perhaps you already act on that idea via the (dubious) concept of 'voting with your wallet'.

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                                        #78

                                        @fluidlogic @JdeBP @Floppy I don't vote at all, hell I don't even have money to spend in the first place.

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