The idea that one should be forced to verify one's age or identity to use one's own computer absolutely baffles me.
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@tokyo_0 @ItsePerkele @janeishly @neil at least with windows 11 pro, you can tell it you intend to join a domain and it will let you pass. Unless you get an enterprise license though, it will nag you to log in with a Microsoft account when logged in as a local user. You can get an enterprise licence for 15 quid or so if you look.
@RonnyAdsetts @tokyo_0 @ItsePerkele @janeishly @neil You can definitely setup any existing Windows with local account only, and no password. Just search for latest instructions at time of install.
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The idea that one should be forced to verify one's age or identity to use one's own computer absolutely baffles me.
@neil I'm being so serious when I say that I would simply stop using computers.
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Perhaps I am some kind of dangerous computer radical these days, thinking that one should be able to buy or make a computer, install one's choice of OSs and software, create a local user account, and get on with one's affairs, privately and without interference.
Quiet enjoyment of one's computer.
* No age or ID verification
* No jumping through hoops to install software, or third parties restricting the software that one can run
* No third party accounts
@neil and I've been really disappointed by people who I generally respect coming back with the argument "you're not a parent are you? Do you know how hard it is to stop a kid from breaking out of parental controls when the goal is to join their friends on Roblox or whatever?"
I do get that. But it seems like the classic "we have a social problem here. Let's not try to fix it with tech"
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Perhaps I am some kind of dangerous computer radical these days, thinking that one should be able to buy or make a computer, install one's choice of OSs and software, create a local user account, and get on with one's affairs, privately and without interference.
Quiet enjoyment of one's computer.
* No age or ID verification
* No jumping through hoops to install software, or third parties restricting the software that one can run
* No third party accounts
@neil but if we don't verify you're old enough for us to legally harvest every scrap of data we can get away with and sell it to every bidder for advertising and ??? purposes, then we might not be able to legally track every last thing you do on the computer and package it up the data for sale!
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@neil I'm being so serious when I say that I would simply stop using computers.
Except that all activities required to participate in society will require you to use one. Buying and selling (other than bartering items), access to information (other than underground sources), communication (other than face to face), driving a car, taking public transportaion, etc. Everything.
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Perhaps I am some kind of dangerous computer radical these days, thinking that one should be able to buy or make a computer, install one's choice of OSs and software, create a local user account, and get on with one's affairs, privately and without interference.
Quiet enjoyment of one's computer.
* No age or ID verification
* No jumping through hoops to install software, or third parties restricting the software that one can run
* No third party accounts
@neil
I believe a distinction is necessary between using a computer as a personal tool and using it as a means of communication or for economic activity, which require adulthood and other forms of accreditation to operate in the market or in society at largeand it may be necessary to assume legal responsibility for economic activities
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@RonnyAdsetts @tokyo_0 @ItsePerkele @janeishly @neil You can definitely setup any existing Windows with local account only, and no password. Just search for latest instructions at time of install.
@RonnyAdsetts @tokyo_0 @ItsePerkele @janeishly @neil
And you don't even have to buy a licence, you can just activate it using a script hosted on a Microsoft-owned service.
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@neil
I believe a distinction is necessary between using a computer as a personal tool and using it as a means of communication or for economic activity, which require adulthood and other forms of accreditation to operate in the market or in society at largeand it may be necessary to assume legal responsibility for economic activities
> I believe a distinction is necessary between using a computer as a personal tool and using it as a means of communication
I don't!
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The idea that one should be forced to verify one's age or identity to use one's own computer absolutely baffles me.
@neil That means you're not a fascist.
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@neil That means you're not a fascist.
@lydiaconwell Well thank goodness for that!
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The idea that one should be forced to verify one's age or identity to use one's own computer absolutely baffles me.
When our kids were big enough for their own computers, we had them in the same room as ours. My daughter thought that was such a good idea, she's planning to do that with hers. That supplanted any need for online verification. I realize some kids need more (i was much sneakier than my kids), but that worked for us.
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Perhaps I am some kind of dangerous computer radical these days, thinking that one should be able to buy or make a computer, install one's choice of OSs and software, create a local user account, and get on with one's affairs, privately and without interference.
Quiet enjoyment of one's computer.
* No age or ID verification
* No jumping through hoops to install software, or third parties restricting the software that one can run
* No third party accounts
@neil then I'm some sort if radical too it seems, because I agree with you
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@neil what’s next?
Verify age before using dishwasher, washing machine, robo-vacuum , robo-lawn mower and other household appliances that have computers in them?@dahukanna @neil I vote the age required to do dishes is always greater than my own.
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Except that all activities required to participate in society will require you to use one. Buying and selling (other than bartering items), access to information (other than underground sources), communication (other than face to face), driving a car, taking public transportaion, etc. Everything.
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Yeah, I agree with that and would try to do the same as much as I could. Just saying that it'll be made as difficult as possible for us since everything will be structured to require it.
Like it's getting to be now with smartphones. Most of the infrastructure around doing things without them has disappeared and now we're expected and (almost) required to have one, which I hate.
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The idea that one should be forced to verify one's age or identity to use one's own computer absolutely baffles me.
@neil I think what frightens me most is how fast it's happening. The processes of reviewing and dealing with this stuff are glacial, but then you have a few people just pushing it out there with only "Claude" to decide if it's ok or not and suddenly most people who do frequent/automatic updates already have the basis in place for at least some of it right now practically overnight...
It's f-ing my computer and if age-gate crap installs on it I WILL break that age gate crap. I am quite significantly past the age of 18, but I don't care. Software developers have absolutely no right to force this on me — especially since I don't even live in California (though I argue that even if I did lawmakers have no right to force this either and the law is surely illegal.)
