The idea that one should be forced to verify one's age or identity to use one's own computer absolutely baffles me.
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@neil I do worry that we're seeing the beginning of the end of personal computing, in the sense of being able to own a machine that you control and that does your bidding.
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@hedders Exactly this.
Admittedly, Apple was perhaps already further down the "appliance, not computer" path with iOS than some others, but still...
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@neil I am very concearned about age verification on OS level thing thats on the talks lately. So i am NOT trying to under estimate this threath, ok. Still i have a total noob question here: how could that ever be enforcable?
Somodoby just goes "fuck that!" Makes a linux distro that does not ask any of that shit and puts it out for free.
How can this effect those users?
@Kantikainen @neil whatever you use you act on/in the web
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@jannem @neil @slothrop @dsc There’s a lot of it going about! The first version I ever saw was the one referred to here: From centre right to hard left Given the long-running trend of parties to the right, hard to believe there aren’t even older versions kicking around.
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The idea that one should be forced to verify one's age or identity to use one's own computer absolutely baffles me.
@neil <snark>that's because you're not on board with the new business model. You don't own that computer or phone. You've only paid for it. The company still owns it.</snark>
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@neil I think we've already gone that way with cars. It's difficult (impossible?) to buy one now that just belongs to you with mno ties to the manufacturer or seller.
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@neil "You should own nothing, and be happy***"
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@RandyNose @neil https://youtu.be/P5mtclwloEQ
(I remember when this came out in 1991, people were wondering whether the video might be hinting at queer sexuality. And yeah, maybe??)
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@tokyo_0 @ItsePerkele @janeishly @neil at least with windows 11 pro, you can tell it you intend to join a domain and it will let you pass. Unless you get an enterprise license though, it will nag you to log in with a Microsoft account when logged in as a local user. You can get an enterprise licence for 15 quid or so if you look.
@RonnyAdsetts @tokyo_0 @ItsePerkele @janeishly @neil You can definitely setup any existing Windows with local account only, and no password. Just search for latest instructions at time of install.
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The idea that one should be forced to verify one's age or identity to use one's own computer absolutely baffles me.
@neil I'm being so serious when I say that I would simply stop using computers.
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Perhaps I am some kind of dangerous computer radical these days, thinking that one should be able to buy or make a computer, install one's choice of OSs and software, create a local user account, and get on with one's affairs, privately and without interference.
Quiet enjoyment of one's computer.
* No age or ID verification
* No jumping through hoops to install software, or third parties restricting the software that one can run
* No third party accounts
@neil and I've been really disappointed by people who I generally respect coming back with the argument "you're not a parent are you? Do you know how hard it is to stop a kid from breaking out of parental controls when the goal is to join their friends on Roblox or whatever?"
I do get that. But it seems like the classic "we have a social problem here. Let's not try to fix it with tech"
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Perhaps I am some kind of dangerous computer radical these days, thinking that one should be able to buy or make a computer, install one's choice of OSs and software, create a local user account, and get on with one's affairs, privately and without interference.
Quiet enjoyment of one's computer.
* No age or ID verification
* No jumping through hoops to install software, or third parties restricting the software that one can run
* No third party accounts
@neil but if we don't verify you're old enough for us to legally harvest every scrap of data we can get away with and sell it to every bidder for advertising and ??? purposes, then we might not be able to legally track every last thing you do on the computer and package it up the data for sale!
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@neil I'm being so serious when I say that I would simply stop using computers.
Except that all activities required to participate in society will require you to use one. Buying and selling (other than bartering items), access to information (other than underground sources), communication (other than face to face), driving a car, taking public transportaion, etc. Everything.
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Perhaps I am some kind of dangerous computer radical these days, thinking that one should be able to buy or make a computer, install one's choice of OSs and software, create a local user account, and get on with one's affairs, privately and without interference.
Quiet enjoyment of one's computer.
* No age or ID verification
* No jumping through hoops to install software, or third parties restricting the software that one can run
* No third party accounts
@neil
I believe a distinction is necessary between using a computer as a personal tool and using it as a means of communication or for economic activity, which require adulthood and other forms of accreditation to operate in the market or in society at largeand it may be necessary to assume legal responsibility for economic activities
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@RonnyAdsetts @tokyo_0 @ItsePerkele @janeishly @neil You can definitely setup any existing Windows with local account only, and no password. Just search for latest instructions at time of install.
@RonnyAdsetts @tokyo_0 @ItsePerkele @janeishly @neil
And you don't even have to buy a licence, you can just activate it using a script hosted on a Microsoft-owned service.
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@neil
I believe a distinction is necessary between using a computer as a personal tool and using it as a means of communication or for economic activity, which require adulthood and other forms of accreditation to operate in the market or in society at largeand it may be necessary to assume legal responsibility for economic activities
> I believe a distinction is necessary between using a computer as a personal tool and using it as a means of communication
I don't!
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The idea that one should be forced to verify one's age or identity to use one's own computer absolutely baffles me.
@neil That means you're not a fascist.
