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  3. Musk's Tesla modified contracts with customers -- without the customers' permission -- long after they were signed.

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  • dangillmor@mastodon.socialD dangillmor@mastodon.social

    Musk's Tesla modified contracts with customers -- without the customers' permission -- long after they were signed. How does this differ from outright fraud? https://electrek.co/2026/06/03/tesla-retroactively-modified-fsd-contracts-supervised/

    andii@mas.toA This user is from outside of this forum
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    #2

    @dangillmor
    ... same way Brit gov't changing student loan payback rules ...

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    • dangillmor@mastodon.socialD dangillmor@mastodon.social

      Musk's Tesla modified contracts with customers -- without the customers' permission -- long after they were signed. How does this differ from outright fraud? https://electrek.co/2026/06/03/tesla-retroactively-modified-fsd-contracts-supervised/

      martinhowitt@urbanists.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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      #3

      @dangillmor surely it invalidates the contract (I’m not a lawyer but can’t see how that would stick in an actual case)

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      • dangillmor@mastodon.socialD dangillmor@mastodon.social

        Musk's Tesla modified contracts with customers -- without the customers' permission -- long after they were signed. How does this differ from outright fraud? https://electrek.co/2026/06/03/tesla-retroactively-modified-fsd-contracts-supervised/

        oliver_schafeld@mastodon.onlineO This user is from outside of this forum
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        #4

        But Tesla's diesel is clean. 😐

        https://electrek.co/2026/06/29/tesla-fsd-class-action-quotes-electrek/

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        • dangillmor@mastodon.socialD dangillmor@mastodon.social

          Musk's Tesla modified contracts with customers -- without the customers' permission -- long after they were signed. How does this differ from outright fraud? https://electrek.co/2026/06/03/tesla-retroactively-modified-fsd-contracts-supervised/

          eingemaischt@chaos.socialE This user is from outside of this forum
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          #5

          @dangillmor I don't know why any court accepts this "online signed with your mouse" bullshit.

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          • martinhowitt@urbanists.socialM martinhowitt@urbanists.social

            @dangillmor surely it invalidates the contract (I’m not a lawyer but can’t see how that would stick in an actual case)

            eingemaischt@chaos.socialE This user is from outside of this forum
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            #6

            @martinhowitt @dangillmor this would only be an advantage if the customer has a leasing contract.

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            • dangillmor@mastodon.socialD dangillmor@mastodon.social

              Musk's Tesla modified contracts with customers -- without the customers' permission -- long after they were signed. How does this differ from outright fraud? https://electrek.co/2026/06/03/tesla-retroactively-modified-fsd-contracts-supervised/

              drangnon@hachyderm.ioD This user is from outside of this forum
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              #7

              @dangillmor at least they are getting "not found" and not the Book of Enoch

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              • dangillmor@mastodon.socialD dangillmor@mastodon.social

                Musk's Tesla modified contracts with customers -- without the customers' permission -- long after they were signed. How does this differ from outright fraud? https://electrek.co/2026/06/03/tesla-retroactively-modified-fsd-contracts-supervised/

                barubary@infosec.exchangeB This user is from outside of this forum
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                #8

                @dangillmor

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                • dangillmor@mastodon.socialD dangillmor@mastodon.social

                  Musk's Tesla modified contracts with customers -- without the customers' permission -- long after they were signed. How does this differ from outright fraud? https://electrek.co/2026/06/03/tesla-retroactively-modified-fsd-contracts-supervised/

                  dannyreving@mastodon.socialD This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #9

                  @dangillmor wouldn’t buy any of these SwastiCars if it was the only carproducer on the planet.

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                  • dangillmor@mastodon.socialD dangillmor@mastodon.social

                    Musk's Tesla modified contracts with customers -- without the customers' permission -- long after they were signed. How does this differ from outright fraud? https://electrek.co/2026/06/03/tesla-retroactively-modified-fsd-contracts-supervised/

                    tknarr@mstdn.socialT This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #10

                    @dangillmor Same way all the tech companies do, of course: having a clause in the original contract allowing them to unilaterally change it.

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                    • eingemaischt@chaos.socialE eingemaischt@chaos.social

                      @dangillmor I don't know why any court accepts this "online signed with your mouse" bullshit.

                      stevewfolds@mastodon.worldS This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #11

                      @eingemaischt @dangillmor
                      Legal documents from multiple people used to take a few days to obtain separate signatures. FedEX Overnight, etc. Not all on the same document. Now I’m just asked to click. Not even sending a pdf.

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                      • stevewfolds@mastodon.worldS stevewfolds@mastodon.world

                        @eingemaischt @dangillmor
                        Legal documents from multiple people used to take a few days to obtain separate signatures. FedEX Overnight, etc. Not all on the same document. Now I’m just asked to click. Not even sending a pdf.

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                        #12

                        @stevewfolds @dangillmor electronic signatures exist, even timestamp services which allow to make documents uneditable...

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                        • dangillmor@mastodon.socialD dangillmor@mastodon.social

                          Musk's Tesla modified contracts with customers -- without the customers' permission -- long after they were signed. How does this differ from outright fraud? https://electrek.co/2026/06/03/tesla-retroactively-modified-fsd-contracts-supervised/

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                          @dangillmor if the US wasn't incredibly corrupt this company would be sold off for parts in the near future

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                          • elexia@catcatnya.comE elexia@catcatnya.com

                            @dangillmor if the US wasn't incredibly corrupt this company would be sold off for parts in the near future

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                            @dangillmor also several people would be going to prison

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                            • dangillmor@mastodon.socialD dangillmor@mastodon.social

                              Musk's Tesla modified contracts with customers -- without the customers' permission -- long after they were signed. How does this differ from outright fraud? https://electrek.co/2026/06/03/tesla-retroactively-modified-fsd-contracts-supervised/

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                              #15

                              @dangillmor

                              Hate to tell you this, but most contracts signed with a click to agree have clauses that allow the issuer to change terms at anytime. Banks do this all day long.

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                              • dangillmor@mastodon.socialD dangillmor@mastodon.social

                                Musk's Tesla modified contracts with customers -- without the customers' permission -- long after they were signed. How does this differ from outright fraud? https://electrek.co/2026/06/03/tesla-retroactively-modified-fsd-contracts-supervised/

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                                #16

                                @dangillmor arrogant, criminal behaviour. Contracts require a meeting of the minds (a common understanding of what is being agreed) how could that be possible with the terms changed without your knowledge or agreement. What was sold for $15,000?

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                                • dangillmor@mastodon.socialD dangillmor@mastodon.social

                                  Musk's Tesla modified contracts with customers -- without the customers' permission -- long after they were signed. How does this differ from outright fraud? https://electrek.co/2026/06/03/tesla-retroactively-modified-fsd-contracts-supervised/

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                                  @dangillmor Contract fraud. Clear and simple.

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                                  • dangillmor@mastodon.socialD dangillmor@mastodon.social

                                    Musk's Tesla modified contracts with customers -- without the customers' permission -- long after they were signed. How does this differ from outright fraud? https://electrek.co/2026/06/03/tesla-retroactively-modified-fsd-contracts-supervised/

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                                    #18

                                    @dangillmor

                                    It's bizarre to me that someone has to "access" the contract online. Instead of, you know, printing it out on paper and filing it somewhere safe.

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                                    • dangillmor@mastodon.socialD dangillmor@mastodon.social

                                      Musk's Tesla modified contracts with customers -- without the customers' permission -- long after they were signed. How does this differ from outright fraud? https://electrek.co/2026/06/03/tesla-retroactively-modified-fsd-contracts-supervised/

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                                      #19

                                      @dangillmor
                                      Same as russia also revising contracts so Wildberries is not liable for lost stock. Contracts and constitutions and toilet paper.

                                      https://mezha.net/eng/bukvy/1649b480_russian_marketplaces_remove/

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                                      • tknarr@mstdn.socialT tknarr@mstdn.social

                                        @dangillmor Same way all the tech companies do, of course: having a clause in the original contract allowing them to unilaterally change it.

                                        aerofreak@hessen.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        #20

                                        @tknarr

                                        Nah, that's illegal in every aspect.

                                        @dangillmor

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                                        • aerofreak@hessen.socialA aerofreak@hessen.social

                                          @tknarr

                                          Nah, that's illegal in every aspect.

                                          @dangillmor

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                                          #21

                                          @aerofreak @dangillmor Can you cite a statute saying that?

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