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  • cyberspice@oldbytes.spaceC cyberspice@oldbytes.space

    @Natasha_Jay @TCMuffin I made it all the way back to 1000 but then I’m interested in our lost letters like æ and þ (I have the icelandic keyboard set up so I can type the letters they still use) and I have some German.

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    #52

    @cyberspice @Natasha_Jay

    That's so very impressive 👏👏👏

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    • natasha_jay@tech.lgbtN natasha_jay@tech.lgbt

      How far back in time can you understand English?

      It’s a thousand years of the English language, compressed into a single blog post.

      "... as his post goes on, his language gets older. A hundred years older with each jump. The spelling changes. The grammar changes. Words you know are replaced by unfamiliar words, and his attitude gets older too, as the blogger’s voice is replaced by that of a Georgian diarist, an Elizabethan pamphleteer, a medieval chronicler."

      https://www.deadlanguagesociety.com/p/how-far-back-in-time-understand-english

      #english #language

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      #53

      @Natasha_Jay
      1200 was pretty much a brick wall for me

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      • natasha_jay@tech.lgbtN natasha_jay@tech.lgbt

        How far back in time can you understand English?

        It’s a thousand years of the English language, compressed into a single blog post.

        "... as his post goes on, his language gets older. A hundred years older with each jump. The spelling changes. The grammar changes. Words you know are replaced by unfamiliar words, and his attitude gets older too, as the blogger’s voice is replaced by that of a Georgian diarist, an Elizabethan pamphleteer, a medieval chronicler."

        https://www.deadlanguagesociety.com/p/how-far-back-in-time-understand-english

        #english #language

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        #54

        @Natasha_Jay if it starts with lingo that teens and twenty somethings use now, I won’t make it very far.

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        • thejessiekirk@ohai.socialT thejessiekirk@ohai.social

          @Natasha_Jay I've read Chaucer, lets give it a bash.

          EDIT: Made it to 1000 CE 😬

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          #55

          @thejessiekirk @Natasha_Jay Same with Chaucer but it's been a looong while. Made it to around 1200 without a problem, I could decifer to around 1000 but then I stood no chance. But I'm native German, I'd say that did actually help me in some cases.

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          • murks@social.tchncs.deM murks@social.tchncs.de

            @Natasha_Jay Neat! Until 1500 it was alright, but no idea what to make of the weirder letters earlier on.

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            #56

            @murks @Natasha_Jay Basically they are th and gh as well as the long-s, if you also replace some cases of v<->u and y<->g you should be able to decifer back to 1200 roughly

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            • natasha_jay@tech.lgbtN natasha_jay@tech.lgbt

              How far back in time can you understand English?

              It’s a thousand years of the English language, compressed into a single blog post.

              "... as his post goes on, his language gets older. A hundred years older with each jump. The spelling changes. The grammar changes. Words you know are replaced by unfamiliar words, and his attitude gets older too, as the blogger’s voice is replaced by that of a Georgian diarist, an Elizabethan pamphleteer, a medieval chronicler."

              https://www.deadlanguagesociety.com/p/how-far-back-in-time-understand-english

              #english #language

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              #57

              @Natasha_Jay Impressed by the many people who made it to 1200 and back. I was fine right up to 1300 and then so many words I couldn’t get it lost all meaning. Really interesting illustration though.

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              • beatricejess@masto.bikeB beatricejess@masto.bike

                @Natasha_Jay but much more easier written than spoken !

                Here : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=842OX2_vCic

                Well I 'm lost until modern English

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                #58

                @beatricejess @Natasha_Jay I have to use yt-dlp to have a listen because YouTube in its greatness decided to automatically synchronize it so the narration is in German, for me. 🤨

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                • natasha_jay@tech.lgbtN natasha_jay@tech.lgbt

                  How far back in time can you understand English?

                  It’s a thousand years of the English language, compressed into a single blog post.

                  "... as his post goes on, his language gets older. A hundred years older with each jump. The spelling changes. The grammar changes. Words you know are replaced by unfamiliar words, and his attitude gets older too, as the blogger’s voice is replaced by that of a Georgian diarist, an Elizabethan pamphleteer, a medieval chronicler."

                  https://www.deadlanguagesociety.com/p/how-far-back-in-time-understand-english

                  #english #language

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                  #59

                  @Natasha_Jay I got to the 11th century. Could not read the tenth.

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                  • natasha_jay@tech.lgbtN natasha_jay@tech.lgbt

                    How far back in time can you understand English?

                    It’s a thousand years of the English language, compressed into a single blog post.

                    "... as his post goes on, his language gets older. A hundred years older with each jump. The spelling changes. The grammar changes. Words you know are replaced by unfamiliar words, and his attitude gets older too, as the blogger’s voice is replaced by that of a Georgian diarist, an Elizabethan pamphleteer, a medieval chronicler."

                    https://www.deadlanguagesociety.com/p/how-far-back-in-time-understand-english

                    #english #language

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                    #60

                    @Natasha_Jay that was fun!

                    I understood what was going on as far as 1300, got most of 1200, got the gist of 1100 but definitely missed some of it, and was fully guessing at what was going on in 1000 (it turned out i guessed at least a bit of it right so there was a shadow of comprehension).

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                    • natasha_jay@tech.lgbtN natasha_jay@tech.lgbt

                      How far back in time can you understand English?

                      It’s a thousand years of the English language, compressed into a single blog post.

                      "... as his post goes on, his language gets older. A hundred years older with each jump. The spelling changes. The grammar changes. Words you know are replaced by unfamiliar words, and his attitude gets older too, as the blogger’s voice is replaced by that of a Georgian diarist, an Elizabethan pamphleteer, a medieval chronicler."

                      https://www.deadlanguagesociety.com/p/how-far-back-in-time-understand-english

                      #english #language

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                      #61

                      @Natasha_Jay

                      We read Chaucer at school, ie 14C.
                      I struggled with Beowulf but broadly understood it.

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                      • stevenray@sfba.socialS stevenray@sfba.social

                        @Natasha_Jay if it starts with lingo that teens and twenty somethings use now, I won’t make it very far.

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                        #62

                        @stevenray @Natasha_Jay

                        Yeah no, 6 7, that slaps are apparently already becoming outdated. That's less than a decade.

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                        • natasha_jay@tech.lgbtN natasha_jay@tech.lgbt

                          How far back in time can you understand English?

                          It’s a thousand years of the English language, compressed into a single blog post.

                          "... as his post goes on, his language gets older. A hundred years older with each jump. The spelling changes. The grammar changes. Words you know are replaced by unfamiliar words, and his attitude gets older too, as the blogger’s voice is replaced by that of a Georgian diarist, an Elizabethan pamphleteer, a medieval chronicler."

                          https://www.deadlanguagesociety.com/p/how-far-back-in-time-understand-english

                          #english #language

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                          #63

                          @Natasha_Jay

                          Lost me at 1600 "thouing". First word I had to understand from the context.

                          1200 still understood half.

                          Thought I lost meaning completely at 1100 until I imagined it was a play being performed, then got an eighth of it.

                          1000 could only glean some meaning from the spacing of the words, might as well be a completely different language to me.

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                          • natasha_jay@tech.lgbtN natasha_jay@tech.lgbt

                            How far back in time can you understand English?

                            It’s a thousand years of the English language, compressed into a single blog post.

                            "... as his post goes on, his language gets older. A hundred years older with each jump. The spelling changes. The grammar changes. Words you know are replaced by unfamiliar words, and his attitude gets older too, as the blogger’s voice is replaced by that of a Georgian diarist, an Elizabethan pamphleteer, a medieval chronicler."

                            https://www.deadlanguagesociety.com/p/how-far-back-in-time-understand-english

                            #english #language

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                            #64

                            @Natasha_Jay @hedders 1200 defeats me, even with a solid knowledge of Scandinavian languages other than my native Danish, reasonable command of modern English, a fair bit of German, and a smidge of Dutch. It was going so well up to that point too.

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                            • pomegranate_stew@kind.socialP pomegranate_stew@kind.social

                              @commonst @Natasha_Jay
                              Same, though I found it easier as it went back past 1600 to read it aloud rather than in my head. Hearing it somehow made it easier for me up until 1200, at which point I didn’t know/remember enough of the words and pronunciation to even make that help.

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                              #65

                              @pomegranate_stew @commonst @Natasha_Jay Same here. I made it all the way, thanks to Malory and Ælfric in school, but I had to start reading aloud in 1300.

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                              • natasha_jay@tech.lgbtN natasha_jay@tech.lgbt

                                How far back in time can you understand English?

                                It’s a thousand years of the English language, compressed into a single blog post.

                                "... as his post goes on, his language gets older. A hundred years older with each jump. The spelling changes. The grammar changes. Words you know are replaced by unfamiliar words, and his attitude gets older too, as the blogger’s voice is replaced by that of a Georgian diarist, an Elizabethan pamphleteer, a medieval chronicler."

                                https://www.deadlanguagesociety.com/p/how-far-back-in-time-understand-english

                                #english #language

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                                #66

                                @Natasha_Jay for an audible experience

                                https://loops.video/v/dxXFQREMjg

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                                • cainmark@mstdn.socialC cainmark@mstdn.social

                                  @stevenray @Natasha_Jay

                                  Yeah no, 6 7, that slaps are apparently already becoming outdated. That's less than a decade.

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                                  #67

                                  @cainmark @Natasha_Jay facts! 😂

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                                  • ellenb@mastodon.socialE ellenb@mastodon.social

                                    @bmk @Natasha_Jay I had the same. Frisian and Dutch came to germanic aid.

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                                    #68

                                    @EllenB @bmk @Natasha_Jay

                                    got about as far as 1100 but struggled at 1000, but I do understand Dutch and German (and listen to some pirate radio from NL every so often, where I get to hear many of the regional dialiects)

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                                    • natasha_jay@tech.lgbtN natasha_jay@tech.lgbt

                                      How far back in time can you understand English?

                                      It’s a thousand years of the English language, compressed into a single blog post.

                                      "... as his post goes on, his language gets older. A hundred years older with each jump. The spelling changes. The grammar changes. Words you know are replaced by unfamiliar words, and his attitude gets older too, as the blogger’s voice is replaced by that of a Georgian diarist, an Elizabethan pamphleteer, a medieval chronicler."

                                      https://www.deadlanguagesociety.com/p/how-far-back-in-time-understand-english

                                      #english #language

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                                      #69

                                      @Natasha_Jay Fun, but I have a some comments and criticisms.

                                      1900: I wish the author had leaned less obviously on Clement Clarke Moore and Sir Arthur Conan Doyle. They spoke (or wrote) a stylized English consciously, and our traveller would not.

                                      1700: The letter "ſ", the "long s", is typographical, not linguistic. Readers at the time would read "congress" as readily as "congreſs".

                                      1600: Again, this is mostly typographical variation. Spoken, one would understand it easily. The weird "thouing" want seen until some fifty years later.

                                      1500: Spoken, this would present no trouble to a modern listener.

                                      1400: Typographical again, wiþ only minor variations in þe ſpelling used. Nat harde to reade, alþouȝ again the letter ſubstitution can be rouȝ.

                                      1300: I don't see "ſchaltou" that far back, bit I didn't dig hard. I imagine spoken, one would realize it's two words mashed together. A Germanic "en" seems to show up randomly. "Rewþe" made me smile.

                                      1200 and earlier: I feel like the vocabulary is starting to change here to the point where my unfamiliarity with the typographical anachronisms becomes an impediment. Hearing it spoken would help, and I'm interested enough to want to substitute modern characters for the archaic to see if that gets me further.

                                      Thanks for posting this.

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                                      • natasha_jay@tech.lgbtN natasha_jay@tech.lgbt

                                        How far back in time can you understand English?

                                        It’s a thousand years of the English language, compressed into a single blog post.

                                        "... as his post goes on, his language gets older. A hundred years older with each jump. The spelling changes. The grammar changes. Words you know are replaced by unfamiliar words, and his attitude gets older too, as the blogger’s voice is replaced by that of a Georgian diarist, an Elizabethan pamphleteer, a medieval chronicler."

                                        https://www.deadlanguagesociety.com/p/how-far-back-in-time-understand-english

                                        #english #language

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                                        #70

                                        @Natasha_Jay as old as 1300.
                                        I did read a lot of Medieval & Arthurian literature as a kid.

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                                        • natasha_jay@tech.lgbtN natasha_jay@tech.lgbt

                                          How far back in time can you understand English?

                                          It’s a thousand years of the English language, compressed into a single blog post.

                                          "... as his post goes on, his language gets older. A hundred years older with each jump. The spelling changes. The grammar changes. Words you know are replaced by unfamiliar words, and his attitude gets older too, as the blogger’s voice is replaced by that of a Georgian diarist, an Elizabethan pamphleteer, a medieval chronicler."

                                          https://www.deadlanguagesociety.com/p/how-far-back-in-time-understand-english

                                          #english #language

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                                          #71

                                          @Natasha_Jay

                                          wiþouten merci or pitee as of a man þat haþ no rewþe in his herte

                                          wow

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