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  • futuristicrobert@infosec.exchangeF futuristicrobert@infosec.exchange

    @cR0w @krypt3ia @Viss

    THIS!!!

    Security isn't profitable. Line doesn't go up unless you're an ambulance cha.... I mean "security vendor."

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    #67

    @FuturisticRobert @cR0w @krypt3ia @Viss <compliance hat on>
    The reason security isn't 'profitable' is because the penalty for leaking the PII including SSNs of 147 million people is less than one half of one quarter's profit.

    And if it doesn't make headlines and you had all the required disclosures in place, it's $0.

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    • cr0w@infosec.exchangeC cr0w@infosec.exchange

      @drwho Sure. Go nuts. 🙂

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      #68

      @cR0w Thank you very much.

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      • rootwyrm@weird.autosR rootwyrm@weird.autos

        @FuturisticRobert @cR0w @krypt3ia @Viss <compliance hat on>
        The reason security isn't 'profitable' is because the penalty for leaking the PII including SSNs of 147 million people is less than one half of one quarter's profit.

        And if it doesn't make headlines and you had all the required disclosures in place, it's $0.

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        #69

        @rootwyrm @FuturisticRobert @cR0w @Viss Losing data is all the rage now.

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        • krypt3ia@infosec.exchangeK krypt3ia@infosec.exchange

          @FuturisticRobert @Viss @cR0w The real problem is that at the rate of conglomeration (like an ourboros) of security companies, being a rogue small outfit kinda puts you on the back heel and almost having to ambulance chase.

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          #70

          @krypt3ia @Viss @cR0w

          And when all the big conglomo's own the security companies, each will offer up in-depth reports on the glaring vulnerabilities of the other guys while saying nothing when they themselves have a zero day. Looking at #google, #microsoft (#microslop), et al.

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          • futuristicrobert@infosec.exchangeF futuristicrobert@infosec.exchange

            @krypt3ia @Viss @cR0w

            And when all the big conglomo's own the security companies, each will offer up in-depth reports on the glaring vulnerabilities of the other guys while saying nothing when they themselves have a zero day. Looking at #google, #microsoft (#microslop), et al.

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            #71

            @FuturisticRobert @krypt3ia @Viss You mean like Fortinet has done for the past however many years?

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            • krypt3ia@infosec.exchangeK krypt3ia@infosec.exchange

              @rootwyrm @FuturisticRobert @cR0w @Viss Losing data is all the rage now.

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              #72

              @krypt3ia @FuturisticRobert @cR0w @Viss well of course, it's basically free PR. Not like you're going to be fined. Company just taps the one-off legal cost of writing up the sign and their 'legal obligations have been met.

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              • cr0w@infosec.exchangeC cr0w@infosec.exchange

                @FuturisticRobert @krypt3ia @Viss You mean like Fortinet has done for the past however many years?

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                #73

                @cR0w @FuturisticRobert @Viss There is only one answer, leave the cybers, go off grid, make your own food, and herd sheep.

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                • krypt3ia@infosec.exchangeK krypt3ia@infosec.exchange

                  @cR0w @FuturisticRobert @Viss There is only one answer, leave the cybers, go off grid, make your own food, and herd sheep.

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                  #74

                  @krypt3ia @FuturisticRobert @Viss I'M TRYING

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                  • rootwyrm@weird.autosR rootwyrm@weird.autos

                    @FuturisticRobert @cR0w @krypt3ia @Viss <compliance hat on>
                    The reason security isn't 'profitable' is because the penalty for leaking the PII including SSNs of 147 million people is less than one half of one quarter's profit.

                    And if it doesn't make headlines and you had all the required disclosures in place, it's $0.

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                    #75

                    @rootwyrm @cR0w @krypt3ia @Viss

                    louder for the people in the back. 🙂

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                    • cr0w@infosec.exchangeC cr0w@infosec.exchange

                      "AI is giving attackers a huge advantage!"

                      "Yes, it is. It's amazing how quickly it has destroyed dev, sec, ops, management, company missions and priorities, regulations, information literacy, and civil society, making everyone more vulnerable."

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                      #76

                      @cR0w it's a virus.

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                      • mustardfacial@infosec.exchangeM mustardfacial@infosec.exchange

                        @cR0w @jackryder Asbestos in brake pads and lead in paint did improve the product though. If they weren't so horriffic to human health, we would still be using them. Conversely, I've yet to see an instance where AI has actually improved anything. At best it lets people who are mediocre at their jobs output a higher quantity of mediocre work.

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                        #77

                        @Mustardfacial @cR0w @jackryder

                        That's the general idea, yes.

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                        • cr0w@infosec.exchangeC cr0w@infosec.exchange

                          @krypt3ia @FuturisticRobert @Viss I'M TRYING

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                          #78

                          @cR0w @krypt3ia @Viss in my fantasy world I'm retired living in a cabin somewhere, when one day someone from my past interrupts me while I'm out chopping wood saying "we need you back. Something's happened."

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                          • futuristicrobert@infosec.exchangeF futuristicrobert@infosec.exchange

                            @cR0w @krypt3ia @Viss in my fantasy world I'm retired living in a cabin somewhere, when one day someone from my past interrupts me while I'm out chopping wood saying "we need you back. Something's happened."

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                            #79

                            @FuturisticRobert @krypt3ia @Viss ...and I'll look down and whisper 'No.'

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                            • cr0w@infosec.exchangeC cr0w@infosec.exchange

                              @FuturisticRobert @krypt3ia @Viss ...and I'll look down and whisper 'No.'

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                              #80

                              @cR0w @FuturisticRobert @Viss Exactly

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                              • adamdavis@mastodon.socialA adamdavis@mastodon.social

                                @cR0w
                                It briefly amazed me, now it just dismays me. I work for the government. Almost all our management and about half the devs are all-in for AI. I'm older and more sceptical. I've seen a few silver bullets fly by in the past, and I don't have much desire to rearrange my job to prompting, reviewing, and hoping the AI code turns out okay. I should be able to hold out until retirement, but younger folks don't have that luxury.

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                                #81

                                @AdamDavis @cR0w

                                Yeah and we're gonna "retire" as they crash the markets and decide all the social security we've paid is theirs not ours

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                                • cr0w@infosec.exchangeC cr0w@infosec.exchange

                                  @FuturisticRobert @krypt3ia @Viss ...and I'll look down and whisper 'No.'

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                                  #82

                                  @cR0w @FuturisticRobert @krypt3ia samesies, except nobody knows where the fuck i am and they never find me, and i spend my days cruising around the forest with a gnarly macro insect camera setup taking pictures of bugs and doing light maintenance on my zero carbon natural gas, water, solar/wind and sodium battery setups

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                                  • futuristicrobert@infosec.exchangeF futuristicrobert@infosec.exchange

                                    @cR0w @krypt3ia @Viss in my fantasy world I'm retired living in a cabin somewhere, when one day someone from my past interrupts me while I'm out chopping wood saying "we need you back. Something's happened."

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                                    #83

                                    @FuturisticRobert @cR0w @krypt3ia @Viss no shit. My hourly rate starts at 400 an hour, minimum of 4 hours.

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                                    • viss@mastodon.socialV viss@mastodon.social

                                      @cR0w @FuturisticRobert @krypt3ia samesies, except nobody knows where the fuck i am and they never find me, and i spend my days cruising around the forest with a gnarly macro insect camera setup taking pictures of bugs and doing light maintenance on my zero carbon natural gas, water, solar/wind and sodium battery setups

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                                      #84

                                      @Viss @FuturisticRobert @krypt3ia The dream.

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                                      • iagox86@infosec.exchangeI iagox86@infosec.exchange

                                        @cR0w Also trust! I remember when certain small companies used to set themselves apart and build a lot of goodwill by having humans create things for the community.. now it's all slop all the time coming from their social accounts

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                                        #85

                                        @iagox86 @cR0w I used to love writing short blog posts for my company. Nothing earth shattering, but just interesting enough that it kept our name circulating and maybe, just maybe, helped out a few people interested in the same problems.

                                        Then we got bought, and the blog was all shaped by marketing from then on. (same at the company after, as great as it was in other ways). Community engagement became just plain engagement.

                                        Find me another small company of nerds who just want to help out others, and share bits of what they've learned for the community, and I'll be happy.

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                                        • viss@mastodon.socialV viss@mastodon.social

                                          @cR0w @FuturisticRobert @krypt3ia samesies, except nobody knows where the fuck i am and they never find me, and i spend my days cruising around the forest with a gnarly macro insect camera setup taking pictures of bugs and doing light maintenance on my zero carbon natural gas, water, solar/wind and sodium battery setups

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                                          #86

                                          @Viss @cR0w @krypt3ia

                                          Sodium batteries! Nice!

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