Initial #Linux observation: So far, none of the "most Mac-like" ones I've seen/tried look or feel remotely like MacOS - they look & feel like what someone who has only seen pictures at some point in the past decade or so thinks MacOS is like.
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@jwcph I disagree (as a Mac convert)
@simonjust Dude, you can't stop there... Tips, man - enlighten!
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Initial #Linux observation: So far, none of the "most Mac-like" ones I've seen/tried look or feel remotely like MacOS - they look & feel like what someone who has only seen pictures at some point in the past decade or so thinks MacOS is like.
I have certain reasons to believe that the Linux developer community is short on Mac users - or at least Mac fans
@jwcph
Couple things here...One, if you get a Mac, you are planning to run Mac OSX. It's good hardware and a good OS, but let's be clear, there's a markup, and running OSX is the only reason you would want that hardware. I had my iMac set up to dual boot Linux and Windows back when that was my main computer, but I pretty much never bothered: OSX is good enough I never felt the need to switch over unless there was a specific program or I needed to test something I made.
Two, I know for a fact that KDE and xfce have the ability to be set up to look exactly like a Mac, down to the application bar at the bottom and the menu bar at the top. It takes some tinkering, but it's definitely something they intended for you to be able to do.
I will flip it around though: Linux has the potential for much better interfaces than Mac or Windows at this point. With KDE Plasma, I don't see why anyone would want to settle for "look and feel like a mac."
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@jwcph
Couple things here...One, if you get a Mac, you are planning to run Mac OSX. It's good hardware and a good OS, but let's be clear, there's a markup, and running OSX is the only reason you would want that hardware. I had my iMac set up to dual boot Linux and Windows back when that was my main computer, but I pretty much never bothered: OSX is good enough I never felt the need to switch over unless there was a specific program or I needed to test something I made.
Two, I know for a fact that KDE and xfce have the ability to be set up to look exactly like a Mac, down to the application bar at the bottom and the menu bar at the top. It takes some tinkering, but it's definitely something they intended for you to be able to do.
I will flip it around though: Linux has the potential for much better interfaces than Mac or Windows at this point. With KDE Plasma, I don't see why anyone would want to settle for "look and feel like a mac."
@Raccoon Oh, sure to all of that - I'm just saying, not pointing any fingers here but any search for it will present a number of "Mac-like" Linuxes & now that I've tried several of them (as someone who loves the Mac experience but hates the company more & more with every passing year & thus looks for an alternative that isn't Windows), they are NOT "Mac-like" in any meaningful way.
- and user tools to build it won't work. Mac users aren't going to do that; that's why we use Mac to begin with.
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@Raccoon Oh, sure to all of that - I'm just saying, not pointing any fingers here but any search for it will present a number of "Mac-like" Linuxes & now that I've tried several of them (as someone who loves the Mac experience but hates the company more & more with every passing year & thus looks for an alternative that isn't Windows), they are NOT "Mac-like" in any meaningful way.
- and user tools to build it won't work. Mac users aren't going to do that; that's why we use Mac to begin with.
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@samadeleine @Raccoon everything, except a smattering of broadly similar graphic flourishes.
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@simonjust Dude, you can't stop there... Tips, man - enlighten!
@jwcph Uhm, I don't know where to start - because it depends on your choice of distro and the kind of desktop environment you're running (Gnome, KDE, Cinnamon, XFCE) on top. Your rate of success depends on the amount of time, you're willing to spend customizing.
Here are some teasers:
GNOME: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPAqwBzHcw4
KDE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTSO5xc-yhs
(further instructions in the description)
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@jwcph Uhm, I don't know where to start - because it depends on your choice of distro and the kind of desktop environment you're running (Gnome, KDE, Cinnamon, XFCE) on top. Your rate of success depends on the amount of time, you're willing to spend customizing.
Here are some teasers:
GNOME: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPAqwBzHcw4
KDE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTSO5xc-yhs
(further instructions in the description)
@simonjust like I said elsewhere in the thread: If it's down to user customization & tons of tech-savvy decisionmaking, then it doesn't count. 99 of 100 Mac users won't do that - it's in no small part why we're Mac users to begin with.
What I mean is, that's not an offering of a Mac-like experience, it's an invitation to build one yourself.
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@simonjust like I said elsewhere in the thread: If it's down to user customization & tons of tech-savvy decisionmaking, then it doesn't count. 99 of 100 Mac users won't do that - it's in no small part why we're Mac users to begin with.
What I mean is, that's not an offering of a Mac-like experience, it's an invitation to build one yourself.
@jwcph Exactly, because rather than having a company that constantly tries to funnel you into new experiences disguised as "innovation", you're invited to customize Linux so it fits your own style and workflow.
Yes, it does take a while to figure out what works and get settled in, but I promise you, that it will be very rewarding in the end.
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@jwcph Exactly, because rather than having a company that constantly tries to funnel you into new experiences disguised as "innovation", you're invited to customize Linux so it fits your own style and workflow.
Yes, it does take a while to figure out what works and get settled in, but I promise you, that it will be very rewarding in the end.
@simonjust I'm glad that works for you - some of it might even work for me - but it isn't what ANY Mac user (including me) wants. We chose Mac because we want a computer we turn on & then it just works well, no fiddling.
I guarantee you, most Mac users customize almost nothing - they don't even change the desktop. They don't have to & they aren't in this for the computer, they're here for what the computer does & it does that OOTB.
Like I said, there's too few Mac fans in Linux.
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@simonjust I'm glad that works for you - some of it might even work for me - but it isn't what ANY Mac user (including me) wants. We chose Mac because we want a computer we turn on & then it just works well, no fiddling.
I guarantee you, most Mac users customize almost nothing - they don't even change the desktop. They don't have to & they aren't in this for the computer, they're here for what the computer does & it does that OOTB.
Like I said, there's too few Mac fans in Linux.
@jwcph They customize nothing, because they can't. Even if they wanted, Apple doesn't allow them to
You can't even revert back to the old pre-MacOS 26 icon set.Sometimes I wonder why Apple still is so popular among creatives because the OS itself doesn't really allow you to create your own style besides from changing the wallpaper
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@jwcph They customize nothing, because they can't. Even if they wanted, Apple doesn't allow them to
You can't even revert back to the old pre-MacOS 26 icon set.Sometimes I wonder why Apple still is so popular among creatives because the OS itself doesn't really allow you to create your own style besides from changing the wallpaper
@simonjust I have never met a Mac user who would want to do that. Like I said, even creatives don't even change the desktop wallpaper because *they don't care about the computer itself, it's just a tool*!
Using an old icon set does NOTHING to make it a better creativity tool.
It's a bit like musicians; you can tell who cares about music & who cares more about the gear by looking at how decked out their setup is - you don't see a world class violinist putting stickers on their Stradivarius.
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@samadeleine @Raccoon everything, except a smattering of broadly similar graphic flourishes.
@jwcph @samadeleine
I still don't understand. I've had a Mac in the past, they are both relatively similar beneath the surface, because it's Unix. Are you just talking about how sometimes there won't be a button for a thing? Or how you have to manually set up said buttons? Or is it some program that you don't have?As she said, I think someone would like to give you what you're looking for, if you want to move off of Mac but have a similar enough interface you don't have to completely relearn it, but without seeing you give a side-by-side comparison we don't know what's missing.
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@jwcph @samadeleine
I still don't understand. I've had a Mac in the past, they are both relatively similar beneath the surface, because it's Unix. Are you just talking about how sometimes there won't be a button for a thing? Or how you have to manually set up said buttons? Or is it some program that you don't have?As she said, I think someone would like to give you what you're looking for, if you want to move off of Mac but have a similar enough interface you don't have to completely relearn it, but without seeing you give a side-by-side comparison we don't know what's missing.
@Raccoon @samadeleine It's not so much a matter of things missing - it's... well, like I said; the look & feel is as if built by someone who only saw MacOS from a distance, not someone who knows what it's really like & more importantly, why.
