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What We Misunderstand About Pre-Industrial Craftsmanship by Vic Tesolin

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  • fasterandworse@hci.socialF fasterandworse@hci.social

    @impactology @urlyman @Npars01 I hear you but I'm referring to the roles themselves. I admire your positive perspective but the word "adapt" is the problematic load-bearer here.

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    #26

    @fasterandworse @urlyman @Npars01

    Ah got it, yes you're right.

    Stephen you guys should sell courses, seriously all that tacit expertise on framing problems, finding errors, preventing them and fixing it. All that pre-ai needs to be preserved and taught. The books aren't cutting it because they are too template-y

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    • impactology@mastodon.socialI impactology@mastodon.social

      @urlyman @Npars01

      Specifically your generation's C-suite folks and they don't even have to worry about pumping shit coz they'll get their kids prestigious internships via the side door anyway.

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      #27

      @impactology yep

      @Npars01

      https://mastodon.social/@urlyman/115915898771966907

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      • impactology@mastodon.socialI impactology@mastodon.social

        @fasterandworse @urlyman @Npars01

        Ah got it, yes you're right.

        Stephen you guys should sell courses, seriously all that tacit expertise on framing problems, finding errors, preventing them and fixing it. All that pre-ai needs to be preserved and taught. The books aren't cutting it because they are too template-y

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        #28

        @fasterandworse @urlyman @Npars01

        Vitaly Friedman for example is totally killing it

        https://x.com/vitalyf/status/2007729848891126098

        We need you seniors to be loud and open on social media talking about solving complex problems, because currently its being dominated by AI hype bros and landing page designers

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        • impactology@mastodon.socialI impactology@mastodon.social

          @fasterandworse @urlyman @Npars01

          Vitaly Friedman for example is totally killing it

          https://x.com/vitalyf/status/2007729848891126098

          We need you seniors to be loud and open on social media talking about solving complex problems, because currently its being dominated by AI hype bros and landing page designers

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          #29

          @impactology the future of UI is less complex, but we will explore making it more complicated first 😉

          @fasterandworse @Npars01

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          • impactology@mastodon.socialI impactology@mastodon.social

            @meltedcheese @Npars01

            Manufacturing, logistics, aviation, food safety and finance right? For example Import-export trade compliance software for shipping?

            https://mastodon.social/@impactology/115912577302179967

            Or any of these domains below?

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            #30

            @impactology @Npars01 I recently learned about a similar problem in health care insurance billing. It has become so complicated and time consuming that (US) providers now use specialists who know what works, and that is not the same as what is correct. But you’d have to match improvements on the insurance side also because now they’ve accommodated to getting wrong answers. It’s a costly mess.

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            • impactology@mastodon.socialI impactology@mastodon.social

              @meltedcheese @Npars01

              Manufacturing, logistics, aviation, food safety and finance right? For example Import-export trade compliance software for shipping?

              https://mastodon.social/@impactology/115912577302179967

              Or any of these domains below?

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              #31

              @impactology @Npars01 I’m familiar with use of #AI in the first three domains you mention. One of my own inventions was licensed by a big pharmaceutical company to automate a factory. In general, logistics and supply chain in nearly every industry are fertile areas as well. You don’t hear about those successful applications because the terminology for the tech used is typically more precise (e.g., “constraint satisfaction”) and thus harder to explain to non-experts. This is antithetical to hype.

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              • meltedcheese@c.imM meltedcheese@c.im

                @impactology @Npars01 I recently learned about a similar problem in health care insurance billing. It has become so complicated and time consuming that (US) providers now use specialists who know what works, and that is not the same as what is correct. But you’d have to match improvements on the insurance side also because now they’ve accommodated to getting wrong answers. It’s a costly mess.

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                #32

                @meltedcheese @impactology

                Based on the numbers of use cases for AI, frauds & scams appear to be the most used.

                More than one pundit has observed that Silicon Valley isn't in the "innovation" industry.

                It's in the "fake it, until you make it" smoke & mirrors vaporware industry.

                It sucks up venture capital cash and produces lies more than products.
                https://www.businessinsider.com/venture-capital-big-tech-antitrust-predatory-pricing-uber-wework-bird-2023-7

                https://doctorow.medium.com/https-pluralistic-net-2024-05-30-posiwid-social-cost-of-carbon-ea59fe4ba150

                https://www.sacbee.com/opinion/op-ed/article312606310.html

                https://medium.com/@sohail_saifi/silicon-valleys-dirty-secret-the-real-reason-startups-fail-it-s-not-what-you-think-fdc75d69ba0e

                https://www.panewslab.com/en/articles/fbcc6570-210b-49d4-946e-27b46c4a836d

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                • npars01@mstdn.socialN npars01@mstdn.social

                  @meltedcheese @impactology

                  Based on the numbers of use cases for AI, frauds & scams appear to be the most used.

                  More than one pundit has observed that Silicon Valley isn't in the "innovation" industry.

                  It's in the "fake it, until you make it" smoke & mirrors vaporware industry.

                  It sucks up venture capital cash and produces lies more than products.
                  https://www.businessinsider.com/venture-capital-big-tech-antitrust-predatory-pricing-uber-wework-bird-2023-7

                  https://doctorow.medium.com/https-pluralistic-net-2024-05-30-posiwid-social-cost-of-carbon-ea59fe4ba150

                  https://www.sacbee.com/opinion/op-ed/article312606310.html

                  https://medium.com/@sohail_saifi/silicon-valleys-dirty-secret-the-real-reason-startups-fail-it-s-not-what-you-think-fdc75d69ba0e

                  https://www.panewslab.com/en/articles/fbcc6570-210b-49d4-946e-27b46c4a836d

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                  #33

                  @Npars01 @impactology Vaporware is a constant problem, from my POV. I’d call that business fraud. AI is no different than many other technologies or business models based on hype. Unfortunately, hype sometimes does pay off in the short term so it persists.

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                  • meltedcheese@c.imM meltedcheese@c.im

                    @impactology @Npars01 I’m familiar with use of #AI in the first three domains you mention. One of my own inventions was licensed by a big pharmaceutical company to automate a factory. In general, logistics and supply chain in nearly every industry are fertile areas as well. You don’t hear about those successful applications because the terminology for the tech used is typically more precise (e.g., “constraint satisfaction”) and thus harder to explain to non-experts. This is antithetical to hype.

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                    #34

                    @meltedcheese @impactology

                    https://gijn.org/stories/gijc25-uncover-transnational-scam-operations/

                    https://www.fastcompany.com/91460661/deepfakes-business-supply-chain-risk-executives

                    https://www.cfo.com/news/advanced-generative-ai-cyber-fraud-rose-118-last-year/739157/

                    https://www.reuters.com/practical-law-the-journal/transactional/ai-supply-chain-2025-06-01/

                    https://globalinitiative.net/analysis/minimizing-risks-of-criminal-exposure-to-scam-compounds-in-corporate-supply-chains/

                    https://www.techradar.com/pro/how-phishing-attacks-are-hitting-the-supply-chain-and-how-to-fight-back

                    https://www.globaltrademag.com/supply-chain-instability-opens-the-door-to-ai-powered-fraud/

                    https://securitybrief.com.au/story/australian-businesses-lose-aud-2-03-billion-as-ai-scams-surge

                    https://www.paymentsjournal.com/the-payment-process-the-supply-chains-most-overlooked-cyber-risk/

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                    • meltedcheese@c.imM meltedcheese@c.im

                      @Npars01 @impactology Vaporware is a constant problem, from my POV. I’d call that business fraud. AI is no different than many other technologies or business models based on hype. Unfortunately, hype sometimes does pay off in the short term so it persists.

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                      #35

                      @meltedcheese @impactology

                      Knew which side AI initiatives had joined when Koch announced funding for forced user adoption for "economic mobility".
                      https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattdurot/2025/07/17/bill-gates-charles-koch-and-three-other-billionaires-are-giving-1-billion-to-enhance-economic-mobility-in-the-us/

                      Charles Koch spent the last 50 years immiserating the middle & working classes, ending democracy, & frying the planet.

                      He & his ilk are completely indifferent to anyone but themselves.

                      If he's spending money on coercing AI adoption, we know why. More of the same, but faster.

                      https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/20/us/politics/koch-network-2024-election-trump.html

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                      • npars01@mstdn.socialN npars01@mstdn.social

                        @meltedcheese @impactology

                        Knew which side AI initiatives had joined when Koch announced funding for forced user adoption for "economic mobility".
                        https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattdurot/2025/07/17/bill-gates-charles-koch-and-three-other-billionaires-are-giving-1-billion-to-enhance-economic-mobility-in-the-us/

                        Charles Koch spent the last 50 years immiserating the middle & working classes, ending democracy, & frying the planet.

                        He & his ilk are completely indifferent to anyone but themselves.

                        If he's spending money on coercing AI adoption, we know why. More of the same, but faster.

                        https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/20/us/politics/koch-network-2024-election-trump.html

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                        #36

                        @Npars01 @meltedcheese @impactology

                        This is ridiculous. An AI app to "help" poor people?

                        What people need is affordable, safe, clean housing, with long-term leases or reasonable mortgages. Then once they have this financial and mental stability, the people can take it from there, themselves. They don't need a phone app that exploits them and sells their personal data.

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                        • meltedcheese@c.imM meltedcheese@c.im

                          @impactology @Npars01 I’m familiar with use of #AI in the first three domains you mention. One of my own inventions was licensed by a big pharmaceutical company to automate a factory. In general, logistics and supply chain in nearly every industry are fertile areas as well. You don’t hear about those successful applications because the terminology for the tech used is typically more precise (e.g., “constraint satisfaction”) and thus harder to explain to non-experts. This is antithetical to hype.

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                          #37

                          @meltedcheese @Npars01 That's amazing you invented an entirely new solution! Can you share more details on that, what was the problem & how did you arrive at the solution?

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