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  3. There was this consensus of not going to X after Elon Musk turned it into a right-wing hellhole but I see more and more especially journalists going back "because the AI people are there".

There was this consensus of not going to X after Elon Musk turned it into a right-wing hellhole but I see more and more especially journalists going back "because the AI people are there".

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  • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

    @glyph @AbandonedAmerica same. I kept the handle so nobody could take it, the account is private now though.

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    #11

    @tante @glyph I was concerned about that but I also didn't want any of the things I posted to be fed into Grok. I'm sure they did it anyway.

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    • abandonedamerica@mastodon.socialA abandonedamerica@mastodon.social

      @tante @glyph I was concerned about that but I also didn't want any of the things I posted to be fed into Grok. I'm sure they did it anyway.

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      #12

      @AbandonedAmerica @tante oh, yeah, and they’re hoovering up fedi too. I appreciate the protest vote but practically speaking it’s not a defense.

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      • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

        I understand the pull to a certain degree, the pain. I walked away from over 30k followers on X which - if like me you have no other anchor of legitimacy - is a big deal. And I met friends there, peers. Twitter did a lot to get me where I am today. But I still wouldn't frequent a Nazi bar.

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        #13

        @tante 21k on fedi. 60% of the way back. and more of those are probably real 🙂

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        • glyph@mastodon.socialG glyph@mastodon.social

          @AbandonedAmerica @tante oh, yeah, and they’re hoovering up fedi too. I appreciate the protest vote but practically speaking it’s not a defense.

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          #14

          @glyph @tante nothing online that isn't behind a password or a paywall is safe. It's part of the reason I haven't really felt like being on social media at all, honestly.

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          • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

            I understand the pull to a certain degree, the pain. I walked away from over 30k followers on X which - if like me you have no other anchor of legitimacy - is a big deal. And I met friends there, peers. Twitter did a lot to get me where I am today. But I still wouldn't frequent a Nazi bar.

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            #15

            @tante Yea same. I had friends there, but honestly most left the moment Elon took control. But spread across everywhere else.

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            • t_var_s@phpc.socialT t_var_s@phpc.social

              @tante Journalists could use nitter if they cared enough. And if capitalism would even have a place for actual journalism.

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              #16

              @t_var_s @tante Isn't it down again?

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              • abandonedamerica@mastodon.socialA abandonedamerica@mastodon.social

                @glyph @tante nothing online that isn't behind a password or a paywall is safe. It's part of the reason I haven't really felt like being on social media at all, honestly.

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                #17

                @AbandonedAmerica @tante what can I say but “non illegitimi carborundum”

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                • glyph@mastodon.socialG glyph@mastodon.social

                  @tante 21k on fedi. 60% of the way back. and more of those are probably real 🙂

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                  #18

                  @glyph I try no longer to look at those kinds of numbers TBH. It kinda fucks up your perception of the world.

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                  • glyph@mastodon.socialG glyph@mastodon.social

                    @AbandonedAmerica @tante what can I say but “non illegitimi carborundum”

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                    #19

                    @glyph @tante I am trying. That's part of the reason I reappeared. It is pretty dispiriting to realize that such an efficient mechanism for separating creators of all types from their own work is now just... everywhere. Inescapable.

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                    • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                      There was this consensus of not going to X after Elon Musk turned it into a right-wing hellhole but I see more and more especially journalists going back "because the AI people are there".

                      Yes, because the "AI" folks mostly agree with right wing talking points because that's what the whole idea of "AI" is build upon. That's a bad argument for relegitimizing X.

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                      #20

                      @tante frankly, is xitter2.0 aka "bluesky" so much better, in that aspect?

                      Idiots follow hype trends. Shitty "influencers" seek numbers. Idiots follow trends created by "influencers". And the lions, erm, "influencers" stay near where the zebra are.

                      ::breaks into song:: IT'S THE CIRCLE OF.... shit.

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                      • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                        There was this consensus of not going to X after Elon Musk turned it into a right-wing hellhole but I see more and more especially journalists going back "because the AI people are there".

                        Yes, because the "AI" folks mostly agree with right wing talking points because that's what the whole idea of "AI" is build upon. That's a bad argument for relegitimizing X.

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                        #21

                        @tante I take some pride in following through my announcement to leave when the takeover talks were still ongoing. As a seasoned Tesla hater by profession*, I don't regret leaving.

                        I still feel though that both the usable part of FOSS and the web at large are shrinking. And that's not just a little inconvenient, but makes the remaining choices much harder than leaving Twitter was 😖

                        * Like when you do vehicle safety analysis for a living, you really have no choice in matters regarding Elon...

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                        • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                          I understand the pull to a certain degree, the pain. I walked away from over 30k followers on X which - if like me you have no other anchor of legitimacy - is a big deal. And I met friends there, peers. Twitter did a lot to get me where I am today. But I still wouldn't frequent a Nazi bar.

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                          #22

                          @tante I deleted my account and never looked back. Someone reused my handle and somehow got it permabanned. Never found out what they did.

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                          • ftranschel@norden.socialF ftranschel@norden.social

                            @tante I take some pride in following through my announcement to leave when the takeover talks were still ongoing. As a seasoned Tesla hater by profession*, I don't regret leaving.

                            I still feel though that both the usable part of FOSS and the web at large are shrinking. And that's not just a little inconvenient, but makes the remaining choices much harder than leaving Twitter was 😖

                            * Like when you do vehicle safety analysis for a living, you really have no choice in matters regarding Elon...

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                            #23

                            @tante E.g. take quickshell. I've been building personal dotfiles for a little over a year now and I have something that can rival many of the bigger installments for the functionality that I personally want out of it, imo.

                            Should I boycott it now that it's funded by omarchy? Sure.

                            Is it viable for me to either port my stuff to plain Qt or leave it behind just because? Can I go back to something like KDE where the verdict on their AI policy has some bad outlook?

                            Like I said, only bad choices.

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                            • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                              I understand the pull to a certain degree, the pain. I walked away from over 30k followers on X which - if like me you have no other anchor of legitimacy - is a big deal. And I met friends there, peers. Twitter did a lot to get me where I am today. But I still wouldn't frequent a Nazi bar.

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                              #24

                              @tante i can't consider friends the people who stayed. if you choose a fascist over everybody else, i can’t trust you. this goes for every asshat i know getting pennies from substack.

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                              • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                                There was this consensus of not going to X after Elon Musk turned it into a right-wing hellhole but I see more and more especially journalists going back "because the AI people are there".

                                Yes, because the "AI" folks mostly agree with right wing talking points because that's what the whole idea of "AI" is build upon. That's a bad argument for relegitimizing X.

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                                #25

                                @tante I keep thinking about writing up a blog post titled something like "No, we're not all hanging out at the Nazi Bar", with the basic premise of:

                                Hey, you keep saying you like hanging out at the Nazi Bar because "everyone" is there, but, no, we're not. You are not hearing anyone who's not cool hanging out with Nazis. Continuing to tell me what fun you're having at the Nazi Bar is not a great look. Nor is telling me how Good For Business being seen at that bar is.

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                                • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                                  I understand the pull to a certain degree, the pain. I walked away from over 30k followers on X which - if like me you have no other anchor of legitimacy - is a big deal. And I met friends there, peers. Twitter did a lot to get me where I am today. But I still wouldn't frequent a Nazi bar.

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                                  #26

                                  @tante I miss twitter. I do not miss X.

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                                  • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                                    There was this consensus of not going to X after Elon Musk turned it into a right-wing hellhole but I see more and more especially journalists going back "because the AI people are there".

                                    Yes, because the "AI" folks mostly agree with right wing talking points because that's what the whole idea of "AI" is build upon. That's a bad argument for relegitimizing X.

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                                    #27

                                    @tante

                                    Very...

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                                    • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                                      There was this consensus of not going to X after Elon Musk turned it into a right-wing hellhole but I see more and more especially journalists going back "because the AI people are there".

                                      Yes, because the "AI" folks mostly agree with right wing talking points because that's what the whole idea of "AI" is build upon. That's a bad argument for relegitimizing X.

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                                      #28

                                      @tante

                                      This is the reason for slowly backing away from the AI folks.

                                      Don’t turn your back on them though.

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                                      • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                                        There was this consensus of not going to X after Elon Musk turned it into a right-wing hellhole but I see more and more especially journalists going back "because the AI people are there".

                                        Yes, because the "AI" folks mostly agree with right wing talking points because that's what the whole idea of "AI" is build upon. That's a bad argument for relegitimizing X.

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                                        #29

                                        @tante

                                        Shitter was awful long before Musk

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                                        • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                                          There was this consensus of not going to X after Elon Musk turned it into a right-wing hellhole but I see more and more especially journalists going back "because the AI people are there".

                                          Yes, because the "AI" folks mostly agree with right wing talking points because that's what the whole idea of "AI" is build upon. That's a bad argument for relegitimizing X.

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                                          #30

                                          @tante There's no good argument for legitimizing & whitewashing supremacist Afrikaner Musk's screwed fuX at all!

                                          "...
                                          The center said the suit was a baseless attempt by X and Musk to silence free speech.
                                          U.S. Senior District Judge Charles Breyer dismissed the lawsuit in March 2024.

                                          “Sometimes it is unclear what is driving a litigation, and only by reading between the lines of a complaint can one attempt to surmise a plaintiff’s true purpose.
                                          Other times, a complaint is so unabashedly and vociferously about one thing that there can be no mistaking that purpose.
                                          This case represents the latter circumstance.
                                          This case is about punishing the defendants for their speech,” the Bill Clinton appointee wrote in his ruling.
                                          ..."
                                          https://www.courthousenews.com/x-asks-ninth-circuit-to-revive-data-scraping-suit-against-hate-speech-monitor/

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