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  • stillirise1963@mastodon.worldS stillirise1963@mastodon.world

    DHS was only formed after 9/11. We were FINE before it and will be BETTER when it’s disbanded.

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    @StillIRise1963 100% The amount of money and time we have wasted on DHS' security theater, and now our own Gestapo, none of it is worth keeping.

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    • virtualbri@mastodon.onlineV virtualbri@mastodon.online

      @StillIRise1963 100% The amount of money and time we have wasted on DHS' security theater, and now our own Gestapo, none of it is worth keeping.

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      @virtualbri @StillIRise1963
      The only use for either of them is to round up the employees and toss them in prison. Basically, if you worked for ICE, you should be considered a felon and traitor for the remainder of your life. Same deal with DHS.

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      • stillirise1963@mastodon.worldS stillirise1963@mastodon.world

        DHS was only formed after 9/11. We were FINE before it and will be BETTER when it’s disbanded.

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        @StillIRise1963 first thing is getting rid of the patriot act

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        • stillirise1963@mastodon.worldS stillirise1963@mastodon.world

          DHS was only formed after 9/11. We were FINE before it and will be BETTER when it’s disbanded.

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          @StillIRise1963 Department of Homeland Security sounded explicitly Nazi then and it still does.

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          • d_j_nathanson@esq.socialD d_j_nathanson@esq.social

            @StillIRise1963 Department of Homeland Security sounded explicitly Nazi then and it still does.

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            #6

            @D_J_Nathanson @StillIRise1963 Had exactly the same sentiment when I heard about its formation.

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            • stillirise1963@mastodon.worldS stillirise1963@mastodon.world

              DHS was only formed after 9/11. We were FINE before it and will be BETTER when it’s disbanded.

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              @StillIRise1963 I always thought the homeland thing sounded very Nazi-esque.

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              • stillirise1963@mastodon.worldS stillirise1963@mastodon.world

                DHS was only formed after 9/11. We were FINE before it and will be BETTER when it’s disbanded.

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                #8

                @StillIRise1963
                AMEN!!!

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                • stillirise1963@mastodon.worldS stillirise1963@mastodon.world

                  DHS was only formed after 9/11. We were FINE before it and will be BETTER when it’s disbanded.

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                  #9

                  @StillIRise1963 I remember when it was formed. I was a brand new baby libertarian (converting from conservatism of my youth). I saw it as a tool that would be abused by authoritarians. Regarding the Patriot Act, I said that it had failed to define "terrorism," and so it would inevitably be used to suppress speech.

                  That was when you could still hug your departing loved one at the airport gate and do quite a few more things (nearly everything except drinking) without being ritually searched or forced to show your papers.

                  (Nobody listened to me.)

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                  • stillirise1963@mastodon.worldS stillirise1963@mastodon.world

                    DHS was only formed after 9/11. We were FINE before it and will be BETTER when it’s disbanded.

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                    @StillIRise1963 We used to have Emergency *Management* and an Immigration *Service*. Now we have *enforcement* and *security*.

                    100% agree. Language matters.

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                    • stillirise1963@mastodon.worldS stillirise1963@mastodon.world

                      DHS was only formed after 9/11. We were FINE before it and will be BETTER when it’s disbanded.

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                      #11

                      @StillIRise1963

                      DHS was nominally formed at Dick Cheney's insistence to put together disparate armed federal law enforcement agencies. It introduced the German concept of "Homeland" into American politics. It also allowed Cheney to drastically cut the number of federal employee union members. Always an obsessive Republican concern.

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                      • huntingdon@mstdn.socialH huntingdon@mstdn.social

                        @StillIRise1963

                        DHS was nominally formed at Dick Cheney's insistence to put together disparate armed federal law enforcement agencies. It introduced the German concept of "Homeland" into American politics. It also allowed Cheney to drastically cut the number of federal employee union members. Always an obsessive Republican concern.

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                        @huntingdon Yes. I remember for I was alive.

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                        • d_j_nathanson@esq.socialD d_j_nathanson@esq.social

                          @StillIRise1963 Department of Homeland Security sounded explicitly Nazi then and it still does.

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                          #13

                          @D_J_Nathanson 100%. I said the exact same thing the day they announced it.

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                          • realtegan@wandering.shopR realtegan@wandering.shop

                            @virtualbri @StillIRise1963
                            The only use for either of them is to round up the employees and toss them in prison. Basically, if you worked for ICE, you should be considered a felon and traitor for the remainder of your life. Same deal with DHS.

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                            @realtegan @virtualbri @StillIRise1963
                            That's what they did with the Nazi concentration camp guards. They charged them all as accessories to however many murders happened at their camps.

                            Punishing these atrocities is a matter of will. The same useless people as always will shriek about it, but the people who suffered these crimes and fought for the country will be in no mood for that kind of crap.

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                            • stillirise1963@mastodon.worldS stillirise1963@mastodon.world

                              DHS was only formed after 9/11. We were FINE before it and will be BETTER when it’s disbanded.

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                              @StillIRise1963 check out the new and more accurate way to reach the Homeland security website

                              nazis.us

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                              • realtegan@wandering.shopR realtegan@wandering.shop

                                @virtualbri @StillIRise1963
                                The only use for either of them is to round up the employees and toss them in prison. Basically, if you worked for ICE, you should be considered a felon and traitor for the remainder of your life. Same deal with DHS.

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                                @realtegan @virtualbri @StillIRise1963

                                Agree, and many of us (on the unamplified left) DID warn people about the entire DHS, but were drowned out by Very Serious™ people.

                                I am sure there are quite a number of workers (accounts payable, IT people, clerks, etc.) who thought they were just getting a solid government job and have been (or trying to stay) apolitical.

                                That's not possible anymore. If you work under Kristi, unless you are -actively- sabotaging the work, you're a damned traitor.

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                                • stillirise1963@mastodon.worldS stillirise1963@mastodon.world

                                  DHS was only formed after 9/11. We were FINE before it and will be BETTER when it’s disbanded.

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                                  @StillIRise1963 but it was formed with responsible public spending in mind by republicans

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                                  • stillirise1963@mastodon.worldS stillirise1963@mastodon.world

                                    DHS was only formed after 9/11. We were FINE before it and will be BETTER when it’s disbanded.

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                                    @StillIRise1963 wait, is it going away?

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                                    • mostarr@theforkiverse.comM mostarr@theforkiverse.com

                                      @StillIRise1963 wait, is it going away?

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                                      @mostarr No. But it should. We can make it go away.

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                                      • stillirise1963@mastodon.worldS stillirise1963@mastodon.world

                                        DHS was only formed after 9/11. We were FINE before it and will be BETTER when it’s disbanded.

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                                        @StillIRise1963 When DHS was formed, I said that they’d end up doing more damage to the US than bin Laden ever did.

                                        And here we are.

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                                        • tripleman@mastodon.socialT tripleman@mastodon.social

                                          @StillIRise1963 When DHS was formed, I said that they’d end up doing more damage to the US than bin Laden ever did.

                                          And here we are.

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                                          @tripleman @StillIRise1963
                                          Before the second tower came down, I was betting on Dubya and his masters doing, well, all of this.

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