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As a long time Linux user; do you know how bad you have to fuck up your operating system to make people WANT to use Linux?

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  • S softwaretheron@mas.to

    @clew
    Ubuntu... sorry to be so boring.

    The Lenovo box would at least have the advantage of good cooling systems, I suppose.

    @rgegriff

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    #35

    And some of them have big screens and the snacks are _right there_.

    @SoftwareTheron @rgegriff

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    • rgegriff@masto.hackers.townR rgegriff@masto.hackers.town

      As a long time Linux user; do you know how bad you have to fuck up your operating system to make people WANT to use Linux?

      Regular people in my life keep asking me for advice and... I mean, cool. But, like, what the fuck is Microsoft doing over there?

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      #36

      @rgegriff 'Umm, my computer isn't working too well, and I need something better. What's this Linux thing you keep talking about?'

      My father, about 20y ago.

      It's OK. I pointed him at OS X -- he's been happy since...

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      • sungo@social.sungo.spaceS sungo@social.sungo.space

        @rgegriff If corporations were actually people, I'd have called for a mental health check on microsoft a long time ago. Something is not right up in that brain pan and they need some new meds or to break up with that abusive lover or something. Shit ain't right.

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        #37

        @sungo @rgegriff Satya came in with new age buzzword bingo, focussed on abstract "engineering excellence" while missing the fundamentals (SDET roles). Weirdly the politics became more entrenched and bitter, people focussed on metrics rather than long term goals and no matter how much puck chasing goes on the SLT still think they are smarter than everyone else

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        • rgegriff@masto.hackers.townR rgegriff@masto.hackers.town

          As a long time Linux user; do you know how bad you have to fuck up your operating system to make people WANT to use Linux?

          Regular people in my life keep asking me for advice and... I mean, cool. But, like, what the fuck is Microsoft doing over there?

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          #38

          @rgegriff there really is no hope. FLOSS enthusiasts have been trying to keep the common user away from Linux by being the most obnoxiously unbearable smart alecks in the computing world, and by breaking fundamental APIs and user-facing interfaces in the most nonsensical ways, and these decades of work are going to fly out of the window because Microsoft can't be arsed to make a simple boring OS anymore. There really is no winning again them.

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          • rgegriff@masto.hackers.townR rgegriff@masto.hackers.town

            As a long time Linux user; do you know how bad you have to fuck up your operating system to make people WANT to use Linux?

            Regular people in my life keep asking me for advice and... I mean, cool. But, like, what the fuck is Microsoft doing over there?

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            #39

            @rgegriff It's bad. From forced AI, total recall (which takes regular screenshots of user history) and black screens of death, Microsoft screwed up this release of Win 11 beyond previous mistakes.

            They forced everyone onto Win 11 years earlier than their usual product cycle.

            Demanded TPM and Microsoft accounts at the beginning too.

            But the worst is knowing that they'll sell your data to the stormtroopers.

            That's a deal breaker for anyone, even if they're not tech oriented.

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            • dickon@splodge.fluff.orgD dickon@splodge.fluff.org

              @rgegriff 'Umm, my computer isn't working too well, and I need something better. What's this Linux thing you keep talking about?'

              My father, about 20y ago.

              It's OK. I pointed him at OS X -- he's been happy since...

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              #40

              @dickon @rgegriff
              Is he still happy?
              I’ve been a macOS user for 35 years and I am definitely no longer happy

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              • rgegriff@masto.hackers.townR rgegriff@masto.hackers.town

                As a long time Linux user; do you know how bad you have to fuck up your operating system to make people WANT to use Linux?

                Regular people in my life keep asking me for advice and... I mean, cool. But, like, what the fuck is Microsoft doing over there?

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                #41

                @rgegriff it's wild talking to windows users who have like 00's Linux problems with WiFi not working after suspend and updates causing bootloops

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                • oneinterestingfact@mastodon.ieO oneinterestingfact@mastodon.ie

                  @dickon @rgegriff
                  Is he still happy?
                  I’ve been a macOS user for 35 years and I am definitely no longer happy

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                  #42

                  @rgegriff @OneInterestingFact Yes, mostly because his needs are Firefox and Thunderbird, and not a lot else. I, too, prefer OS X over Windows, because a browser and terminal are more or less all I want; Apple have that covered tolerably well.

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                  • rgegriff@masto.hackers.townR rgegriff@masto.hackers.town

                    As a long time Linux user; do you know how bad you have to fuck up your operating system to make people WANT to use Linux?

                    Regular people in my life keep asking me for advice and... I mean, cool. But, like, what the fuck is Microsoft doing over there?

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                    #43

                    @rgegriff @Olyindivisible As an Apple user since the Apple IIe & Mac Classic SE, I would love to see if I could run Linux on my old 2012 MacBook Pro. If I could, that would probably convert me. Mac OS pretty much sucks these days. Every update makes things worse.

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                    • nshrubs@mstdn.socialN nshrubs@mstdn.social

                      @rgegriff @Olyindivisible As an Apple user since the Apple IIe & Mac Classic SE, I would love to see if I could run Linux on my old 2012 MacBook Pro. If I could, that would probably convert me. Mac OS pretty much sucks these days. Every update makes things worse.

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                      #44

                      @Nshrubs @rgegriff @Olyindivisible I was running Linux on my non-retina 2012 MacBook Pro without a hitch. Most of the older (before T1) Intel stuff is probably no problem.

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                      • rgegriff@masto.hackers.townR rgegriff@masto.hackers.town

                        As a long time Linux user; do you know how bad you have to fuck up your operating system to make people WANT to use Linux?

                        Regular people in my life keep asking me for advice and... I mean, cool. But, like, what the fuck is Microsoft doing over there?

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                        #45

                        @rgegriff Half of it is nervousness that #Trump effectively has a kill switch on M$ software, as the EU recently found out, which made me go looking for something European.

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                        • rgegriff@masto.hackers.townR rgegriff@masto.hackers.town

                          As a long time Linux user; do you know how bad you have to fuck up your operating system to make people WANT to use Linux?

                          Regular people in my life keep asking me for advice and... I mean, cool. But, like, what the fuck is Microsoft doing over there?

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                          #46

                          @rgegriff How could they have known that using your own hardware to build a little digital model of you in order to control your thoughts and actions was the line?

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                          • hipsterelectron@circumstances.runH hipsterelectron@circumstances.run

                            @davidgerard @rgegriff the people responsible for my sorrow have names and email addresses

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                            #47

                            @hipsterelectron @davidgerard @rgegriff Non-engineering staff at my clients have started asking me if they can move their gaming rigs to Linux

                            Not all of this timeline is dark, just most of it

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                            • ludicity@mastodon.sprawl.clubL ludicity@mastodon.sprawl.club

                              @hipsterelectron @davidgerard @rgegriff Non-engineering staff at my clients have started asking me if they can move their gaming rigs to Linux

                              Not all of this timeline is dark, just most of it

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                              #48

                              @ludicity @hipsterelectron @rgegriff i still fear this cos nvidia support is still shaky, which is 100% nvidia's fault. AMD is solid and makes happy users. sigh

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                              • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                                @ludicity @hipsterelectron @rgegriff i still fear this cos nvidia support is still shaky, which is 100% nvidia's fault. AMD is solid and makes happy users. sigh

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                                #49

                                @davidgerard @ludicity @hipsterelectron @rgegriff the best part about buying an AMD card was knowing i wasn't funding that annoying prick jensen huang

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                                • rgegriff@masto.hackers.townR rgegriff@masto.hackers.town

                                  As a long time Linux user; do you know how bad you have to fuck up your operating system to make people WANT to use Linux?

                                  Regular people in my life keep asking me for advice and... I mean, cool. But, like, what the fuck is Microsoft doing over there?

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                                  #50

                                  @rgegriff ads on the main menu

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                                  • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                                    @ludicity @hipsterelectron @rgegriff i still fear this cos nvidia support is still shaky, which is 100% nvidia's fault. AMD is solid and makes happy users. sigh

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                                    #51

                                    @davidgerard @ludicity @rgegriff nvidia is very effective at making drivers which break at build time or runtime and especially make it essentially impossible to track kernel master. nouveau was supposed to be an answer for this but curiously does not support displayport output on my machine. ubuntu previously had tested support for nvidia drivers and suddenly stopped doing that for unknown reasons

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                                    • rgegriff@masto.hackers.townR rgegriff@masto.hackers.town

                                      As a long time Linux user; do you know how bad you have to fuck up your operating system to make people WANT to use Linux?

                                      Regular people in my life keep asking me for advice and... I mean, cool. But, like, what the fuck is Microsoft doing over there?

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                                      #52

                                      @rgegriff I believe that the fact that they decided to put Copilot in Notepad is a great sign.

                                      I only use Windows at the company laptop, but it's incredibly stressful. Every update breaks something. As of now, connecting cameras or bluetooth headphones causes random reboots. Has been worse in the past.

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                                      • thecrawford@mastodonapp.ukT thecrawford@mastodonapp.uk

                                        @kevinrns @T045T @rgegriff Ironically I guess I'm very naive to this, considering I couldn't update off windows 10 due to old hardware so migrated fully to Linux anyway last year.

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                                        #53

                                        @thecrawford @kevinrns @T045T @rgegriff

                                        The best move you could make 👍

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                                        • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                                          @ludicity @hipsterelectron @rgegriff i still fear this cos nvidia support is still shaky, which is 100% nvidia's fault. AMD is solid and makes happy users. sigh

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                                          #54

                                          @ludicity @hipsterelectron @rgegriff @davidgerard in my experience, AMD cards work... eventually. if your card is more than three years old it's gonna be solid. luckily, nobody can afford cards newer than that anyway.

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