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  3. After the #Mullvad scandal a lot of folks had been looking around for a VPN provider they can trust.

After the #Mullvad scandal a lot of folks had been looking around for a VPN provider they can trust.

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  • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

    After the #Mullvad scandal a lot of folks had been looking around for a VPN provider they can trust.

    The wonderful @activistchecklist got you covered there:
    https://activistchecklist.org/vpn/

    Not only does it list recommended VPNs and reasons for their recommendation (along with those they don't recommend, and why), but also explains what VPNs are good for, what they are not good for, and why giving VPN advice is so hard.

    Clearly a lot of research, care, and thoughtful design went into this.

    #VPN

    sebsauvage@framapiaf.orgS This user is from outside of this forum
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    #3

    @rysiek @activistchecklist Thanks.

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    • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

      After the #Mullvad scandal a lot of folks had been looking around for a VPN provider they can trust.

      The wonderful @activistchecklist got you covered there:
      https://activistchecklist.org/vpn/

      Not only does it list recommended VPNs and reasons for their recommendation (along with those they don't recommend, and why), but also explains what VPNs are good for, what they are not good for, and why giving VPN advice is so hard.

      Clearly a lot of research, care, and thoughtful design went into this.

      #VPN

      samuel@social.whatshouldyoueat.comS This user is from outside of this forum
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      #4

      @rysiek @activistchecklist proton is plagued by the same issues as mullvad, a fascist ceo, why don't they remove that option,  i wonder?

      not to mention proton *has* in fact handed over customer data and PII to governments in the past,  so especially for the activistchecklist it is questionable

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      • samuel@social.whatshouldyoueat.comS samuel@social.whatshouldyoueat.com

        @rysiek @activistchecklist proton is plagued by the same issues as mullvad, a fascist ceo, why don't they remove that option,  i wonder?

        not to mention proton *has* in fact handed over customer data and PII to governments in the past,  so especially for the activistchecklist it is questionable

        dada@diaspodon.frD This user is from outside of this forum
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        #5

        @samuel No quite the same, cf https://www.letemps.ch/cyber/sur-les-reseaux-sociaux-l-entreprise-genevoise-proton-accusee-de-soutenir-donald-trump

        @rysiek @activistchecklist

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        • samuel@social.whatshouldyoueat.comS samuel@social.whatshouldyoueat.com

          @rysiek @activistchecklist proton is plagued by the same issues as mullvad, a fascist ceo, why don't they remove that option,  i wonder?

          not to mention proton *has* in fact handed over customer data and PII to governments in the past,  so especially for the activistchecklist it is questionable

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          #6

          @samuel @rysiek not that I'm defending Proton handing over what data they have, but what they've done on their mail side (as far as I understand) would theoretically contain a lot more data than their VPN side, and I'm guessing that's why it's on the list. From what I've read, they don't store the data from your browsing history, and I'm pretty sure that has been verified to be true, so they have nothing or very little to hand over to law enforcement. Some VPNs track you to sell your data.

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          • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

            After the #Mullvad scandal a lot of folks had been looking around for a VPN provider they can trust.

            The wonderful @activistchecklist got you covered there:
            https://activistchecklist.org/vpn/

            Not only does it list recommended VPNs and reasons for their recommendation (along with those they don't recommend, and why), but also explains what VPNs are good for, what they are not good for, and why giving VPN advice is so hard.

            Clearly a lot of research, care, and thoughtful design went into this.

            #VPN

            mattesilver@101010.plM This user is from outside of this forum
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            #7

            @rysiek

            rent a VPS in Spain for 1.20€/month

            find an IT nerd acquaintance, let them set up wireguard for you

            (edit: VPN->VPS)

            @activistchecklist

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            • dada@diaspodon.frD dada@diaspodon.fr

              @samuel No quite the same, cf https://www.letemps.ch/cyber/sur-les-reseaux-sociaux-l-entreprise-genevoise-proton-accusee-de-soutenir-donald-trump

              @rysiek @activistchecklist

              samuel@social.whatshouldyoueat.comS This user is from outside of this forum
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              #8

              @dada @rysiek @activistchecklist i'm having a hard time reading that article, due to paywall/language barrier. What are you trying to say?

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              • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

                After the #Mullvad scandal a lot of folks had been looking around for a VPN provider they can trust.

                The wonderful @activistchecklist got you covered there:
                https://activistchecklist.org/vpn/

                Not only does it list recommended VPNs and reasons for their recommendation (along with those they don't recommend, and why), but also explains what VPNs are good for, what they are not good for, and why giving VPN advice is so hard.

                Clearly a lot of research, care, and thoughtful design went into this.

                #VPN

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                #9

                @rysiek @activistchecklist thanks mate

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                • mattesilver@101010.plM mattesilver@101010.pl

                  @rysiek

                  rent a VPS in Spain for 1.20€/month

                  find an IT nerd acquaintance, let them set up wireguard for you

                  (edit: VPN->VPS)

                  @activistchecklist

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                  #10

                  @mattesilver I assume you mean "VPS".

                  Also, with that you end up with a single exit point in a single country, and the exit IP address is tied to you specifically via your payment.

                  Not anywhere even close to what is discussed in that link. Giving advice like that will cause people to end up in harm's way.

                  @activistchecklist

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                  • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

                    After the #Mullvad scandal a lot of folks had been looking around for a VPN provider they can trust.

                    The wonderful @activistchecklist got you covered there:
                    https://activistchecklist.org/vpn/

                    Not only does it list recommended VPNs and reasons for their recommendation (along with those they don't recommend, and why), but also explains what VPNs are good for, what they are not good for, and why giving VPN advice is so hard.

                    Clearly a lot of research, care, and thoughtful design went into this.

                    #VPN

                    maddad@mastodon.worldM This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #11

                    @rysiek @activistchecklist

                    There is no mention of Nord here that I could see. I wonder what they rated it.

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                    • maddad@mastodon.worldM maddad@mastodon.world

                      @rysiek @activistchecklist

                      There is no mention of Nord here that I could see. I wonder what they rated it.

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                      #12

                      @maddad @activistchecklist there is. In the not recommended section.

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                      • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

                        @maddad @activistchecklist there is. In the not recommended section.

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                        #13

                        @rysiek @activistchecklist

                        I see it now... crap I've been using it for over 10 years now...

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                        • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

                          After the #Mullvad scandal a lot of folks had been looking around for a VPN provider they can trust.

                          The wonderful @activistchecklist got you covered there:
                          https://activistchecklist.org/vpn/

                          Not only does it list recommended VPNs and reasons for their recommendation (along with those they don't recommend, and why), but also explains what VPNs are good for, what they are not good for, and why giving VPN advice is so hard.

                          Clearly a lot of research, care, and thoughtful design went into this.

                          #VPN

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                          #14

                          @rysiek What's wrong with Mullvad? It's one of the only VPN companies that takes XMR, has absolutely 0 KYC, and... works. Their Mullvad Browser is genuinely great work, and helped me move off arkenfox.

                          Mullvad is genuinely doing things right, and I'll continue to reward them with my custom

                          EDIT: I genuinely couldn't care less what their co-founders political support is, it's shameful to kick a company that's doing so well by online anonymity, privacy, activism

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                          • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

                            After the #Mullvad scandal a lot of folks had been looking around for a VPN provider they can trust.

                            The wonderful @activistchecklist got you covered there:
                            https://activistchecklist.org/vpn/

                            Not only does it list recommended VPNs and reasons for their recommendation (along with those they don't recommend, and why), but also explains what VPNs are good for, what they are not good for, and why giving VPN advice is so hard.

                            Clearly a lot of research, care, and thoughtful design went into this.

                            #VPN

                            tehstu@hachyderm.ioT This user is from outside of this forum
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                            #15

                            @rysiek This is a great resources, thanks for sharing. Now that Mullvad is out of the equation, I had come to the same conclusion on an alternate.

                            Alas, I can only regenerate, rather than disable, the advertising ID on my Android build. Will be glancing through the other recommendations to make sure I have everything covered though.

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                              #16

                              @pictor @rysiek Mullvad's ethical standards are top notch as far as I'm concerned. Sustained support for anti-Chat Control, age-verification and censorship legislation is one of my top priorities. Mullvad has a stellar record on all of those

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                              • mattesilver@101010.plM mattesilver@101010.pl

                                @rysiek

                                rent a VPS in Spain for 1.20€/month

                                find an IT nerd acquaintance, let them set up wireguard for you

                                (edit: VPN->VPS)

                                @activistchecklist

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                                #17

                                @mattesilver @rysiek @activistchecklist

                                Yes wireguard is a great option, but if you are in a country like China, Russia or Iran, you should use OpenVPN. Do a search to find out why 🙂

                                @activistchecklist

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                                • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

                                  After the #Mullvad scandal a lot of folks had been looking around for a VPN provider they can trust.

                                  The wonderful @activistchecklist got you covered there:
                                  https://activistchecklist.org/vpn/

                                  Not only does it list recommended VPNs and reasons for their recommendation (along with those they don't recommend, and why), but also explains what VPNs are good for, what they are not good for, and why giving VPN advice is so hard.

                                  Clearly a lot of research, care, and thoughtful design went into this.

                                  #VPN

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                                  #18

                                  @rysiek @activistchecklist if anybody needs a 2nd advice, check this

                                  https://www.kuketz-blog.de/empfehlenswerte-vpn-alternativen-zu-mullvad-und-proton/

                                  It is in German, but machine translation works well nowadays...

                                  @kuketzblog #vpn #mullvad #proton #protonvpn #MullvadVPN #vpncomparison

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                                  • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

                                    After the #Mullvad scandal a lot of folks had been looking around for a VPN provider they can trust.

                                    The wonderful @activistchecklist got you covered there:
                                    https://activistchecklist.org/vpn/

                                    Not only does it list recommended VPNs and reasons for their recommendation (along with those they don't recommend, and why), but also explains what VPNs are good for, what they are not good for, and why giving VPN advice is so hard.

                                    Clearly a lot of research, care, and thoughtful design went into this.

                                    #VPN

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                                    #19

                                    @rysiek

                                    - https://embed.kumu.io/9ced55e897e74fd807be51990b26b415#vpn-company-relationships
                                    - https://www.privacyguides.org/en/vpn/
                                    - https://tools.techlore.tech/#vpnproviders
                                    - https://tools.techlore.tech/#vpn-providers
                                    - https://privacytools.io/privacy-vpn
                                    - https://www.rebeltechalliance.org/vpn.html

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                                    • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

                                      After the #Mullvad scandal a lot of folks had been looking around for a VPN provider they can trust.

                                      The wonderful @activistchecklist got you covered there:
                                      https://activistchecklist.org/vpn/

                                      Not only does it list recommended VPNs and reasons for their recommendation (along with those they don't recommend, and why), but also explains what VPNs are good for, what they are not good for, and why giving VPN advice is so hard.

                                      Clearly a lot of research, care, and thoughtful design went into this.

                                      #VPN

                                      stardust@fosstodon.orgS This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      #20

                                      @rysiek @activistchecklist Yet again, without fail everything that touches crypto turns to shit.

                                      #CryptoCultScience

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                                      • samuel@social.whatshouldyoueat.comS samuel@social.whatshouldyoueat.com

                                        @rysiek @activistchecklist proton is plagued by the same issues as mullvad, a fascist ceo, why don't they remove that option,  i wonder?

                                        not to mention proton *has* in fact handed over customer data and PII to governments in the past,  so especially for the activistchecklist it is questionable

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                                        #21

                                        @samuel @rysiek @activistchecklist

                                        He's not a fascist CEO. That whole thing was WAY overblown by folks. I'm linking a post on Medium that takes a pretty deep dive on that whole thing. Unfortunately people just keep repeating it without explaining or knowing the details.

                                        As for them handing over customer data, again, any company is going to hand over the data required by laws. The question is, what data do they have stored that could be a problem. Activists can use free accounts for Proton services and never provide any payment information which has been the main issue in various cases.

                                        https://medium.com/@ovenplayer/does-proton-really-support-trump-a-deeper-analysis-and-surprising-findings-aed4fee4305e

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                                        • samuel@social.whatshouldyoueat.comS samuel@social.whatshouldyoueat.com

                                          @rysiek @activistchecklist proton is plagued by the same issues as mullvad, a fascist ceo, why don't they remove that option,  i wonder?

                                          not to mention proton *has* in fact handed over customer data and PII to governments in the past,  so especially for the activistchecklist it is questionable

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                                          #22

                                          @samuel@social.whatshouldyoueat.com @activistchecklist@kolektiva.social @rysiek@mstdn.social i personally trust windscribe WAY more than proton
                                          they also have pretty good free plan
                                          and they don't do any ad campaigns to spread the service
                                          and they support anonymous payment, down to even cash-by-mail as a last resort, iirc, also crypto, and completely anonymous "hashed" accounts that do not have an email or password, just a magic token
                                          and apparently their ceo got in trouble w greek courts but the "no logs" held through (and has had some sort of audit)

                                          tho the normal price for paid plans is a bit too high for me personally, they do honor discounted prices for however long you keep paying for, if you get one

                                          but one of the times i've mentioned it, someone raised some negative points too, i forget what, but i guess they're not flawless either, i do remember it wasn't entirely baseless tho

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