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  • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

    Wondering if the fediverse - and Mastodon in particular - is undergoing a major spam / bot signup wave at the moment.

    I'm noticing an uptick in people following me who have weird usernames (lots of numbers), no profile photo, and 0 followers - I'd say 90% of new followers from the past week or two. (Disclaimer: I don't like the word "follower", it sounds cultish)

    What gives?

    Treasuring the human connections I've made here and this is a bit unsettling TBH.

    I may turn on manual approvals 🥲

    greenwhale@dice.campG This user is from outside of this forum
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    #4

    @_elena oh, so we shouldn't pray three times a day in your general direction? * Puts away prayer mat * 😓 /j

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    • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

      Wondering if the fediverse - and Mastodon in particular - is undergoing a major spam / bot signup wave at the moment.

      I'm noticing an uptick in people following me who have weird usernames (lots of numbers), no profile photo, and 0 followers - I'd say 90% of new followers from the past week or two. (Disclaimer: I don't like the word "follower", it sounds cultish)

      What gives?

      Treasuring the human connections I've made here and this is a bit unsettling TBH.

      I may turn on manual approvals 🥲

      jvnknvlgl@social.postkantoor.cloudJ This user is from outside of this forum
      jvnknvlgl@social.postkantoor.cloudJ This user is from outside of this forum
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      #5

      @_elena is there a pattern in what server they’re on? Most spam I have to deal with is on mastodon.social, unfortunately.

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      • souverain@social.souverain.ovhS souverain@social.souverain.ovh

        @_elena me too

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        #6

        @souverain 😭

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        • jvnknvlgl@social.postkantoor.cloudJ jvnknvlgl@social.postkantoor.cloud

          @_elena is there a pattern in what server they’re on? Most spam I have to deal with is on mastodon.social, unfortunately.

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          #7

          @jvnknvlgl ah yes, after checking I can see they are all from mastodon.social. I'm on it too, though 😬

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          • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

            Wondering if the fediverse - and Mastodon in particular - is undergoing a major spam / bot signup wave at the moment.

            I'm noticing an uptick in people following me who have weird usernames (lots of numbers), no profile photo, and 0 followers - I'd say 90% of new followers from the past week or two. (Disclaimer: I don't like the word "follower", it sounds cultish)

            What gives?

            Treasuring the human connections I've made here and this is a bit unsettling TBH.

            I may turn on manual approvals 🥲

            wolkensteine@mastodon.wolkenheim.euW This user is from outside of this forum
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            #8

            @_elena
            I'd always recommend manual approvals, just so you can see who is following you and maybe follow back :3

            Also, yes, there are quite a few bots around doing stuff. Since my instance (that runs on quite the low power VPS) is only for me and a few friends, I have turned on Admin approval for registrations and astonishingly, I get quite a few signup requests that always have an LLM feeling summary for why they want to sign up.

            Also I try to block instances that are either like not acceptable due to ethical concerns (mainly a whole bunch of meta servers) or because they are spammy. Furthermore since the signup requests I also added E-Mail blocks for some domains I know are bad (for example there is an email service where AI agents can just signup, specially made for them).

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            • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

              @souverain 😭

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              #9

              @_elena And I'm currently trying to migrate to https://codeberg.org/grunfink/snac2 because it's much lighter than Mastodon, while still staying within the Fediverse. However, I'm not happy because in the Fediverse, if I migrate to another platform, I can't migrate my posts, only my contacts... I thought the Fediverse was capable of handling portability, but that’s not the case yet.

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              • wolkensteine@mastodon.wolkenheim.euW wolkensteine@mastodon.wolkenheim.eu

                @_elena
                I'd always recommend manual approvals, just so you can see who is following you and maybe follow back :3

                Also, yes, there are quite a few bots around doing stuff. Since my instance (that runs on quite the low power VPS) is only for me and a few friends, I have turned on Admin approval for registrations and astonishingly, I get quite a few signup requests that always have an LLM feeling summary for why they want to sign up.

                Also I try to block instances that are either like not acceptable due to ethical concerns (mainly a whole bunch of meta servers) or because they are spammy. Furthermore since the signup requests I also added E-Mail blocks for some domains I know are bad (for example there is an email service where AI agents can just signup, specially made for them).

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                #10

                @Wolkensteine yes I just turned on manual approvals... I'm on mastodon.social and most of the new weird accounts following me are on this same instance... le sigh

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                • simonzerafa@infosec.exchangeS simonzerafa@infosec.exchange

                  @_elena

                  This is more of an instance issue where they have open registration and poor quality moderation.

                  Unfortunately MS has this reputation. Maybe an alternative instance or start your own? 🙂

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                  #11

                  @simonzerafa great point. I already have a self-hosted account - on GoToSocial - so I'm not really looking forward to migrating to it. I like the separation. But I turned on manual approvals just now

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                  • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                    @Wolkensteine yes I just turned on manual approvals... I'm on mastodon.social and most of the new weird accounts following me are on this same instance... le sigh

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                    #12

                    @_elena
                    One little annoyance I had with the fedi bridge to Bluesky (and if there weren't two cool non profits only over there I'd probably just unbridge) is that I can not stop people from following me. I can reject the follow request in my UI but the fedi bridge seems to still remember that someone wanted to follow me and I am not sure if my posts still get fedirated to that person.

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                    • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                      Wondering if the fediverse - and Mastodon in particular - is undergoing a major spam / bot signup wave at the moment.

                      I'm noticing an uptick in people following me who have weird usernames (lots of numbers), no profile photo, and 0 followers - I'd say 90% of new followers from the past week or two. (Disclaimer: I don't like the word "follower", it sounds cultish)

                      What gives?

                      Treasuring the human connections I've made here and this is a bit unsettling TBH.

                      I may turn on manual approvals 🥲

                      wonkothesane@mstdn.socialW This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #13

                      @_elena We treasure you!

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                      • souverain@social.souverain.ovhS souverain@social.souverain.ovh

                        @_elena And I'm currently trying to migrate to https://codeberg.org/grunfink/snac2 because it's much lighter than Mastodon, while still staying within the Fediverse. However, I'm not happy because in the Fediverse, if I migrate to another platform, I can't migrate my posts, only my contacts... I thought the Fediverse was capable of handling portability, but that’s not the case yet.

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                        #14

                        @souverain actually with SLURP you can migrate your entire Mastodon post archive to GoToSocial... possibly snac too? @joel and @box464 have do it (Mastodon to GtS)

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                        • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                          @jvnknvlgl ah yes, after checking I can see they are all from mastodon.social. I'm on it too, though 😬

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                          #15

                          @_elena I guess that’s a side effect of having an (unintentional) flagship server.

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                          • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                            Wondering if the fediverse - and Mastodon in particular - is undergoing a major spam / bot signup wave at the moment.

                            I'm noticing an uptick in people following me who have weird usernames (lots of numbers), no profile photo, and 0 followers - I'd say 90% of new followers from the past week or two. (Disclaimer: I don't like the word "follower", it sounds cultish)

                            What gives?

                            Treasuring the human connections I've made here and this is a bit unsettling TBH.

                            I may turn on manual approvals 🥲

                            rstub@digitalcourage.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
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                            #16

                            @_elena I have heard from several instance maintainers that maybe 80-90% of requests for an account are bots masquerading as real people.

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                            • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                              @souverain actually with SLURP you can migrate your entire Mastodon post archive to GoToSocial... possibly snac too? @joel and @box464 have do it (Mastodon to GtS)

                              wolkensteine@mastodon.wolkenheim.euW This user is from outside of this forum
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                              #17

                              @_elena @souverain @box464
                              SLURP works with all instances that have a similar API to the one Mastodon has, so things like GoToSocial.

                              SNAC2 seems to have a compatible API so this should work.

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                              • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                                Wondering if the fediverse - and Mastodon in particular - is undergoing a major spam / bot signup wave at the moment.

                                I'm noticing an uptick in people following me who have weird usernames (lots of numbers), no profile photo, and 0 followers - I'd say 90% of new followers from the past week or two. (Disclaimer: I don't like the word "follower", it sounds cultish)

                                What gives?

                                Treasuring the human connections I've made here and this is a bit unsettling TBH.

                                I may turn on manual approvals 🥲

                                saskia@backend.newsmast.orgS This user is from outside of this forum
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                                #18

                                @_elena

                                As a moderator of quite a few instances - yes!

                                There's a huge spam wave at the moment and it's not slowing down. I no longer think it's a wave, I think this is just the spam sea rising 🌊

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                                • rstub@digitalcourage.socialR rstub@digitalcourage.social

                                  @_elena I have heard from several instance maintainers that maybe 80-90% of requests for an account are bots masquerading as real people.

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                                  #19

                                  @rstub same. I've also read that AI agents may be contributing to lots of signups, ughhhhhh

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                                  • saskia@backend.newsmast.orgS saskia@backend.newsmast.org

                                    @_elena

                                    As a moderator of quite a few instances - yes!

                                    There's a huge spam wave at the moment and it's not slowing down. I no longer think it's a wave, I think this is just the spam sea rising 🌊

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                                    #20

                                    @saskia oh no 😭 thanks for letting me know Saskia. FYI I turned on manual approvals

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                                    • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                                      @simonzerafa great point. I already have a self-hosted account - on GoToSocial - so I'm not really looking forward to migrating to it. I like the separation. But I turned on manual approvals just now

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                                      #21

                                      @_elena

                                      Yes, You probably know more about this than I do, being a leading expert 🤗

                                      Many of the issues we see are from MS for moderation 🙄

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                                      • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                                        Wondering if the fediverse - and Mastodon in particular - is undergoing a major spam / bot signup wave at the moment.

                                        I'm noticing an uptick in people following me who have weird usernames (lots of numbers), no profile photo, and 0 followers - I'd say 90% of new followers from the past week or two. (Disclaimer: I don't like the word "follower", it sounds cultish)

                                        What gives?

                                        Treasuring the human connections I've made here and this is a bit unsettling TBH.

                                        I may turn on manual approvals 🥲

                                        poindex76@social.vivaldi.netP This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        #22

                                        @_elena

                                        I know the admins on both of the instances I’m on spend an inordinate amount of time checking out accounts that want to join. It’s not automatic anymore, which is good for users and hard on admins. That’s why I support them with monthly donations.

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                                        • simonzerafa@infosec.exchangeS simonzerafa@infosec.exchange

                                          @_elena

                                          Yes, You probably know more about this than I do, being a leading expert 🤗

                                          Many of the issues we see are from MS for moderation 🙄

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                                          #23

                                          @simonzerafa @_elena
                                          Sorry, with MS you mean Mastodon and not Microsoft, right?

                                          Generally speaking, it not just mastodon.social having this problem – as you said – it is a problem of moderation, although it is especially on large Mastodon instances, since most bots can work with the API of mastodon but not something like Misskey or Pleroma.

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