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  • trochee@dair-community.socialT trochee@dair-community.social

    @blogdiva

    I think that the US relationship to race and immigration is the unholy synthesis of chattel slavery (via the British-dominated triangle trade) and La Conquista peonage, which is the outgrowth of Euro colonial adventures in (North) Africa

    And when Europeans say "we're not racist like Americans" they usually are focused on *one* of those two but are willfully blind to the other

    French liberals overlook their history in Algiers; Belgians overlook Congo; Italians Ethiopia

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    #6

    @blogdiva (& of course they overlap; viz Haiti)

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    • blogdiva@mastodon.socialB blogdiva@mastodon.social

      but as there were less and less moros and sefaradís to be had, ethnic minorities like basques, catalanes, gallegos would end up in those sweeps.

      in SUGAR: A BITTERSWEET HISTORY, Elizabeth Abbot centers the development of the sugar industry on these waves of expulsiones from Spain.

      the first mass scale sugar plantations were developed by Spain in Morocco with the enslaved expulsados who had no means to “go back to where they came from” in the Middle East 🧵…

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      #7

      Abbot describes how children were sweeped in these expulsiones, separated from their parents and, those who couldn't be trafficked were forced to work in these #Morocco plantations.

      children as young as 5, 6 years old, separated from their families and enslaved in sugar cane plantations.

      plantations which, by the way, were incorporated not as sole property of the kings or queens but as limited liability partnerships.

      yes, they were invented by Spain to hide La Corona’s colonialist crimes,🧵…

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      • blogdiva@mastodon.socialB blogdiva@mastodon.social

        Abbot describes how children were sweeped in these expulsiones, separated from their parents and, those who couldn't be trafficked were forced to work in these #Morocco plantations.

        children as young as 5, 6 years old, separated from their families and enslaved in sugar cane plantations.

        plantations which, by the way, were incorporated not as sole property of the kings or queens but as limited liability partnerships.

        yes, they were invented by Spain to hide La Corona’s colonialist crimes,🧵…

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        #8

        recently came across academic research on the last pogrom and expulsiones of Jews in Spain. it happened in 1898 in Galicia.

        this is HIGHLY significant for a few reasons:

        1. 1898 is the year of the Spanish American War

        2. it is known the gringolarchy were doing everything in their power to destabilize #Spain and invade #Cuba and #PuertoRico

        3. #ManifestDestiny is tied to the hip of Sarmiento’s theory of #blanquemiento, which is #eugenics by #immigration

        but more importantly 🧵…

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        • blogdiva@mastodon.socialB blogdiva@mastodon.social

          recently came across academic research on the last pogrom and expulsiones of Jews in Spain. it happened in 1898 in Galicia.

          this is HIGHLY significant for a few reasons:

          1. 1898 is the year of the Spanish American War

          2. it is known the gringolarchy were doing everything in their power to destabilize #Spain and invade #Cuba and #PuertoRico

          3. #ManifestDestiny is tied to the hip of Sarmiento’s theory of #blanquemiento, which is #eugenics by #immigration

          but more importantly 🧵…

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          #9

          if we look at Spain’s waves of expulsiones (aka deportations) and their use of eminent domain to take over the lands and properties of the deported, it’s clear they had expanded the definition of LIMPIA DE SANGRE and “one-drop rule” not for pedestrian racist reasons but because it was a quick way to make money.

          so even though LA LIMPIA didn't have in #Spain the same white supremacist connotations that #blanqueamiento had in #Argentina and #OneDropRule in the United States 🧵…

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          • blogdiva@mastodon.socialB blogdiva@mastodon.social

            if we look at Spain’s waves of expulsiones (aka deportations) and their use of eminent domain to take over the lands and properties of the deported, it’s clear they had expanded the definition of LIMPIA DE SANGRE and “one-drop rule” not for pedestrian racist reasons but because it was a quick way to make money.

            so even though LA LIMPIA didn't have in #Spain the same white supremacist connotations that #blanqueamiento had in #Argentina and #OneDropRule in the United States 🧵…

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            #10

            what unifies #LimpiaDeSangre #Blanqueamiento #OneDropRule is how oligarchies in Spain, South America and USA used cockamamy #genetics to justify theft of property and money by deportations and, subsequently, the economic indentureship of the deported.

            this is where #ManifestDestiny kicks in, as the other side of the blanqueamiento coin.

            the whitening of the Américas hinged on the forced redistribution of europeans on our lands. guess who had the most colonial lands in Europe: Spain 🧵…

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            • blogdiva@mastodon.socialB blogdiva@mastodon.social

              what unifies #LimpiaDeSangre #Blanqueamiento #OneDropRule is how oligarchies in Spain, South America and USA used cockamamy #genetics to justify theft of property and money by deportations and, subsequently, the economic indentureship of the deported.

              this is where #ManifestDestiny kicks in, as the other side of the blanqueamiento coin.

              the whitening of the Américas hinged on the forced redistribution of europeans on our lands. guess who had the most colonial lands in Europe: Spain 🧵…

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              #11

              the only way you could get europeans en masse to move to the Américas was by forcing La Corona to give up their control over lands in what is now #Italy, #Germany, the Balkan States, Eastern Europe, the #Netherlands and #Belgium.

              which is exactly what happened after 1898.

              the mass exodus of Europeans into the Américas was engineered by the nascent globalized oligarchies.

              they invested in the mass #media for #psyops, in the #war #tech, especially the ships that would move those populations 🧵…

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              • blogdiva@mastodon.socialB blogdiva@mastodon.social

                the only way you could get europeans en masse to move to the Américas was by forcing La Corona to give up their control over lands in what is now #Italy, #Germany, the Balkan States, Eastern Europe, the #Netherlands and #Belgium.

                which is exactly what happened after 1898.

                the mass exodus of Europeans into the Américas was engineered by the nascent globalized oligarchies.

                they invested in the mass #media for #psyops, in the #war #tech, especially the ships that would move those populations 🧵…

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                #12

                The Four Hundred and their Spanish Empire fetish were real
                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Four_Hundred_(Gilded_Age)

                #MAGA especially #Trump, are the wannabes who were never accepted into the ranks of #nyc oligarchic society and so are out to destroy it whilst building their new #GuildedAge

                so, if there is ONE thing y’all need to understand ―ESPECIALLY MY #EU EUROPEAN READERS― is that your so-called nazis aren't natively homegrown. they have always been pollinated by the gringolarchy. Hitler and Mussolini admitted as much🧵…

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                • blogdiva@mastodon.socialB blogdiva@mastodon.social

                  RE: https://masto.nyc/@rejinl/117026794913427870

                  Spain is in Ceuta because it was part of Al-Andalus. after 1492 it became NOT a migration point but an EXPULSION point.

                  #Morocco has been complicit with #Spain since the days of the Hapsburgs. they helped La Corona in #deportations of spanish moros, sefaradís and even iberian ethnic groups like basque, gallegos, catalanes.

                  #Marruecos is to #España what El Salvador is today to #Trump and #MAGA #Project2025.

                  Spain’s first sugar plantations were worked by moro & sefaradí slaves in Morocco.

                  🧵…

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                  #13

                  @blogdiva
                  Fascinating thread! Seems that among the implications are 1) capitalism has always been racial capitalism; 2) there's no capitalism that isn't racial. E.g. the Trumpist murder of DEI is just the righting of an errant neoliberal drift

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                  • blogdiva@mastodon.socialB blogdiva@mastodon.social

                    The Four Hundred and their Spanish Empire fetish were real
                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Four_Hundred_(Gilded_Age)

                    #MAGA especially #Trump, are the wannabes who were never accepted into the ranks of #nyc oligarchic society and so are out to destroy it whilst building their new #GuildedAge

                    so, if there is ONE thing y’all need to understand ―ESPECIALLY MY #EU EUROPEAN READERS― is that your so-called nazis aren't natively homegrown. they have always been pollinated by the gringolarchy. Hitler and Mussolini admitted as much🧵…

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                    #14

                    but just like the incestuous Hapsburg lineages and now the circular #AIslop economy, so too is the #globalization of capitalist oligarchic power.

                    #AfD #Vox #Reform are all tied to #MAGA by the same incestuous political economy of financial imperialism, aka capitalism.

                    BECAUSE THE POLITICAL MANIFESTATION OF #CAPITALISM IS AND HAS ALWAYS BEEN #FASCISM

                    Adam Smith’s effort was to disambiguate the political economy of a country from the divine rights claimed by their nobility🧵…

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                    • ophiocephalic@kolektiva.socialO ophiocephalic@kolektiva.social

                      @blogdiva
                      Fascinating thread! Seems that among the implications are 1) capitalism has always been racial capitalism; 2) there's no capitalism that isn't racial. E.g. the Trumpist murder of DEI is just the righting of an errant neoliberal drift

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                      #15

                      On 1: [astronaut-with-a-gun meme.jpg] always has been

                      On the Trumpist murder of DEI: at one of Kimberlé Crenshaw's "Under the Blacklight" videos on this, she highlighted that DEI wasn't even want Black people and other minoritized people demanded, it was a watered-down approach that didn't destablize power structures ... and even that is too much for what supremacy.

                      Also: yes, great thread @blogdiva!

                      @ophiocephalic

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                      • blogdiva@mastodon.socialB blogdiva@mastodon.social

                        RE: https://masto.nyc/@rejinl/117026794913427870

                        Spain is in Ceuta because it was part of Al-Andalus. after 1492 it became NOT a migration point but an EXPULSION point.

                        #Morocco has been complicit with #Spain since the days of the Hapsburgs. they helped La Corona in #deportations of spanish moros, sefaradís and even iberian ethnic groups like basque, gallegos, catalanes.

                        #Marruecos is to #España what El Salvador is today to #Trump and #MAGA #Project2025.

                        Spain’s first sugar plantations were worked by moro & sefaradí slaves in Morocco.

                        🧵…

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                        #16

                        @blogdiva

                        I'm not sure I agree with your use of the present in the sentence:

                        > #Marruecos is to #España what El Salvador is today to #Trump and #MAGA #Project2025.

                        Marruecos is definitely not currently a friendly ally of Spain as El Salvador is of the US.

                        The rest... Fascinating stuff and eye-opening too. Thanks.

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                        • jdp23@neuromatch.socialJ jdp23@neuromatch.social

                          On 1: [astronaut-with-a-gun meme.jpg] always has been

                          On the Trumpist murder of DEI: at one of Kimberlé Crenshaw's "Under the Blacklight" videos on this, she highlighted that DEI wasn't even want Black people and other minoritized people demanded, it was a watered-down approach that didn't destablize power structures ... and even that is too much for what supremacy.

                          Also: yes, great thread @blogdiva!

                          @ophiocephalic

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                          #17

                          @jdp23
                          Yeah, for sure. A flimsy mask they now feel comfortable letting slip

                          @blogdiva

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                          • blogdiva@mastodon.socialB blogdiva@mastodon.social

                            but just like the incestuous Hapsburg lineages and now the circular #AIslop economy, so too is the #globalization of capitalist oligarchic power.

                            #AfD #Vox #Reform are all tied to #MAGA by the same incestuous political economy of financial imperialism, aka capitalism.

                            BECAUSE THE POLITICAL MANIFESTATION OF #CAPITALISM IS AND HAS ALWAYS BEEN #FASCISM

                            Adam Smith’s effort was to disambiguate the political economy of a country from the divine rights claimed by their nobility🧵…

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                            #18

                            so it should be clear then that #ManifestDestiny is a secularization of the #DivineRight to rule claimed by nobilities.

                            and it should explain why #blanqueamiento and #ManifestDestiny were ok with the millions of europeans migrating after 1898 regardless of their “limpia” status.

                            mass migration satisfied their goal of killing off and expropriating as many afro/indigenous people across the Américas as possible & repopulating with #DEBT SLAVES, aka indentured workers

                            🧵…

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                            • blogdiva@mastodon.socialB blogdiva@mastodon.social

                              so it should be clear then that #ManifestDestiny is a secularization of the #DivineRight to rule claimed by nobilities.

                              and it should explain why #blanqueamiento and #ManifestDestiny were ok with the millions of europeans migrating after 1898 regardless of their “limpia” status.

                              mass migration satisfied their goal of killing off and expropriating as many afro/indigenous people across the Américas as possible & repopulating with #DEBT SLAVES, aka indentured workers

                              🧵…

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                              #19

                              #MAGA #PROJECT2025 is a hodgepodge of policies from post-1492 Spain mashed up with #blanqueamiento #ManifestDestiny and sundry fascist europe (Germany, Italy, Spain) fever dreams.

                              so the best thing y’all in #EU #EUROPE could do is to call out #AfD #Reform #Vox and every neofascist movement in your country what they are: #MAGA wannabes.

                              because they are.

                              because there is a long history to prove it.

                              / 🧵

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                              • blogdiva@mastodon.socialB blogdiva@mastodon.social

                                so it should be clear then that #ManifestDestiny is a secularization of the #DivineRight to rule claimed by nobilities.

                                and it should explain why #blanqueamiento and #ManifestDestiny were ok with the millions of europeans migrating after 1898 regardless of their “limpia” status.

                                mass migration satisfied their goal of killing off and expropriating as many afro/indigenous people across the Américas as possible & repopulating with #DEBT SLAVES, aka indentured workers

                                🧵…

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                                #20

                                @blogdiva The Credit Card/FICO system in the U.S. serves the purposes you describe quite well.

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                                • blogdiva@mastodon.socialB blogdiva@mastodon.social

                                  #MAGA #PROJECT2025 is a hodgepodge of policies from post-1492 Spain mashed up with #blanqueamiento #ManifestDestiny and sundry fascist europe (Germany, Italy, Spain) fever dreams.

                                  so the best thing y’all in #EU #EUROPE could do is to call out #AfD #Reform #Vox and every neofascist movement in your country what they are: #MAGA wannabes.

                                  because they are.

                                  because there is a long history to prove it.

                                  / 🧵

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                                  #21

                                  @blogdiva

                                  https://www.salon.com/2024/07/31/most-extreme-ever-project-2025-contributors-have-a-history-of/

                                  https://www.sentencingproject.org/press-releases/new-report-from-the-sentencing-project-reveals-the-hidden-eugenics-history-behind-americas-harsh-sentencing-laws/

                                  https://conversationalist.org/2025/04/17/united-states-america-eugenics-politics-policy-race-science-disablism-transphobia-racism-xenophobia-trump-immigration/

                                  https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/donald-trump-wants-to-make-eugenics-great-again-lets-not/

                                  https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2025/5/23/from-fringe-to-federal-the-rise-of-eugenicist-thinking-in-us-policy

                                  Russia also has a long history of destroying rebellious ethnic minorities through forced migrations & pogroms. It's a weapon of war.
                                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_transfer_in_the_Soviet_Union

                                  https://henryjacksonsociety.org/2025/11/13/how-russia-uses-migration-as-a-weapon/

                                  Imperialist land grabs & asset confiscations is how The Moneyed reward their cronies for their support.
                                  https://allisraelnews.com/only-long-term-solution-for-hormuz-crisis-is-a-pipeline-through-israel-says-pm-netanyahu-but-turkey-and-syria-compete-for-strategic-route

                                  https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-weaponizing-syrian-refugees-geopolitical-goals/27562604.html

                                  https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2020/01/russia-veto-denies-millions-of-syrian-civilians-essential-aid-amid-humanitarian-disaster-in-idlib/

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                                  • bro666@social.tchncs.deB bro666@social.tchncs.de

                                    @blogdiva

                                    I'm not sure I agree with your use of the present in the sentence:

                                    > #Marruecos is to #España what El Salvador is today to #Trump and #MAGA #Project2025.

                                    Marruecos is definitely not currently a friendly ally of Spain as El Salvador is of the US.

                                    The rest... Fascinating stuff and eye-opening too. Thanks.

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                                    #22

                                    @Bro666 @blogdiva oh yes yes it is, both country are joined at the hip at ridiculous levels.
                                    Its just that Morocco has more levers to pull to politically press spain than el salvador has respective to the US.
                                    This whole mess has happened just after spain had another repproachement with Argelia.

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                                    • blogdiva@mastodon.socialB blogdiva@mastodon.social

                                      RE: https://masto.nyc/@rejinl/117026794913427870

                                      Spain is in Ceuta because it was part of Al-Andalus. after 1492 it became NOT a migration point but an EXPULSION point.

                                      #Morocco has been complicit with #Spain since the days of the Hapsburgs. they helped La Corona in #deportations of spanish moros, sefaradís and even iberian ethnic groups like basque, gallegos, catalanes.

                                      #Marruecos is to #España what El Salvador is today to #Trump and #MAGA #Project2025.

                                      Spain’s first sugar plantations were worked by moro & sefaradí slaves in Morocco.

                                      🧵…

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                                      #23

                                      @blogdiva The Habsburgs, of course, also being among the most notoriously inbred families in history, making a mockery of myths about "pure blood".

                                      As posh Brits would say as they clink their champagne glasses together..."chin chin"! 🤣

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                                      • npars01@mstdn.socialN npars01@mstdn.social

                                        @blogdiva

                                        https://www.salon.com/2024/07/31/most-extreme-ever-project-2025-contributors-have-a-history-of/

                                        https://www.sentencingproject.org/press-releases/new-report-from-the-sentencing-project-reveals-the-hidden-eugenics-history-behind-americas-harsh-sentencing-laws/

                                        https://conversationalist.org/2025/04/17/united-states-america-eugenics-politics-policy-race-science-disablism-transphobia-racism-xenophobia-trump-immigration/

                                        https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/donald-trump-wants-to-make-eugenics-great-again-lets-not/

                                        https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2025/5/23/from-fringe-to-federal-the-rise-of-eugenicist-thinking-in-us-policy

                                        Russia also has a long history of destroying rebellious ethnic minorities through forced migrations & pogroms. It's a weapon of war.
                                        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_transfer_in_the_Soviet_Union

                                        https://henryjacksonsociety.org/2025/11/13/how-russia-uses-migration-as-a-weapon/

                                        Imperialist land grabs & asset confiscations is how The Moneyed reward their cronies for their support.
                                        https://allisraelnews.com/only-long-term-solution-for-hormuz-crisis-is-a-pipeline-through-israel-says-pm-netanyahu-but-turkey-and-syria-compete-for-strategic-route

                                        https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-weaponizing-syrian-refugees-geopolitical-goals/27562604.html

                                        https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2020/01/russia-veto-denies-millions-of-syrian-civilians-essential-aid-amid-humanitarian-disaster-in-idlib/

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                                        #24

                                        @Npars01 @blogdiva ya think!

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                                        • timo21@mastodon.sdf.orgT timo21@mastodon.sdf.org

                                          @blogdiva The Credit Card/FICO system in the U.S. serves the purposes you describe quite well.

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                                          Housing prices and student loans taking back the gains workers had earned since the 1930s

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