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  • csilverman@mastodon.socialC csilverman@mastodon.social

    @docpop @FediThing I'm an xcancel fan, so I figured I'd share the link here:

    https://xcancel.com/JimDMiller/status/2055277720326529036

    This Miller character, if he's real, is beyond help. Farther down, he basically says that "AI-hallucinated inaccuracies are better than human inaccuracies because the AI inaccuracies are going to be so obviously wrong that no one would take them seriously."

    I think I'm starting to see why he's so up in arms about the prospect of his scientific work, as it were, being held to higher standards.

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    #7

    @csilverman @docpop @FediThing

    FYI (if you aren't aware), the Libredirect browser extension is a wonderful thing. Set it up once and never accidentally wind up in the Xitter again.

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    • docpop@mastodon.socialD docpop@mastodon.social

      ArXiv announces a ban on AI content and the responses are hilarious.

      > You expect us to actually read the papers we cite?!

      yes, lol!

      https://www.404media.co/new-arxiv-rules-ai-generated-papers-ban/

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      #8

      @docpop One problem with contemporary physics textbooks is that authors rarely, if ever, read and check the original sources by Einstein and others and proceed to perpetuate misconceptions that we as faculty must repeatedly engage with in our classrooms. It wastes our time and confuses students. This has been a thing long before arXiv or AI so I'm quite sympathetic.

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      • docpop@mastodon.socialD docpop@mastodon.social

        ArXiv announces a ban on AI content and the responses are hilarious.

        > You expect us to actually read the papers we cite?!

        yes, lol!

        https://www.404media.co/new-arxiv-rules-ai-generated-papers-ban/

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        #9

        @docpop Also, isn't this rather a high school level expectation?

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        • docpop@mastodon.socialD docpop@mastodon.social

          @FediThing I think he means it. He certainly is doubling down on X https://x.com/JimDMiller/status/2055277720326529036

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          #10

          @docpop @FediThing Well, his point is *slightly* more nuanced in that he's arguing "What if *I* checked the citations I added, but this other guy I co-author with did not on his part of the paper? Why am I responsible?"

          To which I reply "sucks to be you, my guy."

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          • docpop@mastodon.socialD docpop@mastodon.social

            ArXiv announces a ban on AI content and the responses are hilarious.

            > You expect us to actually read the papers we cite?!

            yes, lol!

            https://www.404media.co/new-arxiv-rules-ai-generated-papers-ban/

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            #11

            @docpop Power move LMAO

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            • docpop@mastodon.socialD docpop@mastodon.social

              ArXiv announces a ban on AI content and the responses are hilarious.

              > You expect us to actually read the papers we cite?!

              yes, lol!

              https://www.404media.co/new-arxiv-rules-ai-generated-papers-ban/

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              #12

              @docpop Reminds me of when Apple started cracking down on template-based apps. It's a quality control problem, and the only real solution is to make people do the actual work.

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              • edcates@mastodon.socialE edcates@mastodon.social

                @csilverman @docpop @FediThing

                FYI (if you aren't aware), the Libredirect browser extension is a wonderful thing. Set it up once and never accidentally wind up in the Xitter again.

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                #13

                @EdCates @docpop Neat, I didn't know about that. Thanks.

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                • adriano@lile.clA adriano@lile.cl

                  @docpop @FediThing Well, his point is *slightly* more nuanced in that he's arguing "What if *I* checked the citations I added, but this other guy I co-author with did not on his part of the paper? Why am I responsible?"

                  To which I reply "sucks to be you, my guy."

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                  #14

                  @docpop @FediThing
                  To be clear, this is the same kind of argument as "What if I need to shout the N-word to save a baby from being crushed by a bus?", and the like.

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                  • docpop@mastodon.socialD docpop@mastodon.social

                    ArXiv announces a ban on AI content and the responses are hilarious.

                    > You expect us to actually read the papers we cite?!

                    yes, lol!

                    https://www.404media.co/new-arxiv-rules-ai-generated-papers-ban/

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                    #15

                    @docpop I thought that’s why you cited them 😹
                    Or have I read the memo wrong 🤔
                    (Completely sarcastic here 😹)

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                    • heafnerj@mstdn.socialH heafnerj@mstdn.social

                      @docpop Also, isn't this rather a high school level expectation?

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                      #16

                      @heafnerj @docpop As in "only highschoolers can reasonably be expected to do this"? 🤣

                      (scnr)

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                      • csilverman@mastodon.socialC csilverman@mastodon.social

                        @docpop Funny how AI-related policy changes are revealing deeper problems that existed before AI was an issue.

                        Like, Dietterich's text would make perfect sense even in a world where AI never existed. And I wouldn't want to imagine the reaction if blue-check-guy here was a student, asking that question to a teacher/professor in, say, the context of a class on how to properly structure academic writing.

                        This isn't an "AI" thing, it's a "some people don't belong in science and never did" thing.

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                        #17

                        @csilverman @docpop It's almost like broken incentives lead to unintended consequences...

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                        • docpop@mastodon.socialD docpop@mastodon.social

                          ArXiv announces a ban on AI content and the responses are hilarious.

                          > You expect us to actually read the papers we cite?!

                          yes, lol!

                          https://www.404media.co/new-arxiv-rules-ai-generated-papers-ban/

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                          #18

                          @docpop I made the mistake of briefly looking at his X posts.

                          I'm... I'm just going to say I will not comment on it. My god, no.

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                          • clew@ecoevo.socialC clew@ecoevo.social

                            Also, what he thinks publication credit is for.

                            @FediThing @docpop

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                            #19

                            @clew @FediThing @docpop

                            or analysis. Or reading. Or brains.

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                            • csilverman@mastodon.socialC csilverman@mastodon.social

                              @docpop @FediThing I'm an xcancel fan, so I figured I'd share the link here:

                              https://xcancel.com/JimDMiller/status/2055277720326529036

                              This Miller character, if he's real, is beyond help. Farther down, he basically says that "AI-hallucinated inaccuracies are better than human inaccuracies because the AI inaccuracies are going to be so obviously wrong that no one would take them seriously."

                              I think I'm starting to see why he's so up in arms about the prospect of his scientific work, as it were, being held to higher standards.

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                              #20

                              @csilverman Incredibly rare Community Notes W

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                              • docpop@mastodon.socialD docpop@mastodon.social

                                ArXiv announces a ban on AI content and the responses are hilarious.

                                > You expect us to actually read the papers we cite?!

                                yes, lol!

                                https://www.404media.co/new-arxiv-rules-ai-generated-papers-ban/

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                                #21

                                @docpop Local idiot shocked to learn you should understand the subject you're telling other people about

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                                • docpop@mastodon.socialD docpop@mastodon.social

                                  ArXiv announces a ban on AI content and the responses are hilarious.

                                  > You expect us to actually read the papers we cite?!

                                  yes, lol!

                                  https://www.404media.co/new-arxiv-rules-ai-generated-papers-ban/

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                                  #22

                                  @docpop You expect to get a reasonable response to post on X ???

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                                  • docpop@mastodon.socialD docpop@mastodon.social

                                    ArXiv announces a ban on AI content and the responses are hilarious.

                                    > You expect us to actually read the papers we cite?!

                                    yes, lol!

                                    https://www.404media.co/new-arxiv-rules-ai-generated-papers-ban/

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                                    #23

                                    @docpop James Miller took apart his Rubik's Cube to solve it.

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                                      #24

                                      @FediThing @docpop the chap's a PhD 🙃

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                                      • docpop@mastodon.socialD docpop@mastodon.social

                                        ArXiv announces a ban on AI content and the responses are hilarious.

                                        > You expect us to actually read the papers we cite?!

                                        yes, lol!

                                        https://www.404media.co/new-arxiv-rules-ai-generated-papers-ban/

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                                        #25

                                        @docpop well physics papers can have like 50 authors, there is no expectation for all of them to read all of the sources, please

                                        I don't always read sources added by my peers if I don't need to.

                                        I'm in no way pro-"AI", however you're misrepresenting the point raised...

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                                        • docpop@mastodon.socialD docpop@mastodon.social

                                          ArXiv announces a ban on AI content and the responses are hilarious.

                                          > You expect us to actually read the papers we cite?!

                                          yes, lol!

                                          https://www.404media.co/new-arxiv-rules-ai-generated-papers-ban/

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                                          #26

                                          @docpop

                                          https://archive.ph/HHPGh

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