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  3. If you live outside of the United States,do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

If you live outside of the United States,do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

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  • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

    If you live outside of the United States,
    do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

    What would happen to your work?

    What would happen to your hospitals?

    What would happen to your emergency services?

    What would happen to your banks?

    Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

    What would happen?
    Is your country prepared?

    #DataSovereignty

    adhdruid@infosec.exchangeA This user is from outside of this forum
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    adhdruid@infosec.exchange
    wrote sidst redigeret af
    #92

    @Em0nM4stodon on the whole, I’d say no, they’re not ready. But I think that’s more to do with the belief in the current mind rot passing, or the very real possibility of those companies actually leaving the US if it doesn’t.

    The US is a very small market when compared to the rest of the world, those orgs would sink by quarter end. Way over-invested in infrastructure overseas, and I’d imagine it would be seized by government very quickly due to importance as critical national infrastructure.

    That doesn’t mean there wouldn’t be a digital cataclysm in the interim. There definitely would.

    From my standpoint, I’ve been designing resilient systems for a long while, and that means controlling the software and infrastructure, which is deeply unpopular but the only way to avoid these outcomes.

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    • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

      If you live outside of the United States,
      do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

      What would happen to your work?

      What would happen to your hospitals?

      What would happen to your emergency services?

      What would happen to your banks?

      Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

      What would happen?
      Is your country prepared?

      #DataSovereignty

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      mcourcel@allovertheplace.ca
      wrote sidst redigeret af
      #93

      @Em0nM4stodon Hmm, interesting concept. Would the companies actually follow such a command? Because, they would lose all that revenue. Interesting.

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      • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

        If you live outside of the United States,
        do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

        What would happen to your work?

        What would happen to your hospitals?

        What would happen to your emergency services?

        What would happen to your banks?

        Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

        What would happen?
        Is your country prepared?

        #DataSovereignty

        htpcnz@mastodon.socialH This user is from outside of this forum
        htpcnz@mastodon.socialH This user is from outside of this forum
        htpcnz@mastodon.social
        wrote sidst redigeret af
        #94

        @Em0nM4stodon Apple , Meta, Visa & MasterCard are few other critical ones missing on that list.

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        • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

          If you live outside of the United States,
          do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

          What would happen to your work?

          What would happen to your hospitals?

          What would happen to your emergency services?

          What would happen to your banks?

          Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

          What would happen?
          Is your country prepared?

          #DataSovereignty

          llanciawn@mastodon.socialL This user is from outside of this forum
          llanciawn@mastodon.socialL This user is from outside of this forum
          llanciawn@mastodon.social
          wrote sidst redigeret af
          #95

          @Em0nM4stodon I raised this at work before I retired. They didn't take it seriously.

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          • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

            If you live outside of the United States,
            do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

            What would happen to your work?

            What would happen to your hospitals?

            What would happen to your emergency services?

            What would happen to your banks?

            Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

            What would happen?
            Is your country prepared?

            #DataSovereignty

            rosepuckey@beige.partyR This user is from outside of this forum
            rosepuckey@beige.partyR This user is from outside of this forum
            rosepuckey@beige.party
            wrote sidst redigeret af
            #96

            @Em0nM4stodon Thanks @Em0nM4stodon I'm reading this at 23:20 and now mixing all of this into the usual how to sleep soundly type thoughts.

            Stuff it, I know a nice dry cave that I could happily live in. On fact, I may go and have a look tomorrow anyway.

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            • passenger@kolektiva.socialP passenger@kolektiva.social

              @mwt @blotosmetek @barbra @Em0nM4stodon

              A minicomputer as in a small computer or a minicomputer as in, like, a PDP-11? If you got Windows 2000 to run on a mini then that's extremely cool.

              angelascholder@mastodon.energyA This user is from outside of this forum
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              angelascholder@mastodon.energy
              wrote sidst redigeret af
              #97

              @passenger @mwt @blotosmetek @barbra @Em0nM4stodon My Compaq EN6266 (technically a 6400) still runs with W2000.
              An other Compaq/HP still starts with XP Pro, at least did so a year ago.
              And, I resurrected my Aspire One netbook running W8.1 last year. Had died on the SSD, but running again with the last HDD before it.

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              • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                If you live outside of the United States,
                do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                What would happen to your work?

                What would happen to your hospitals?

                What would happen to your emergency services?

                What would happen to your banks?

                Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                What would happen?
                Is your country prepared?

                #DataSovereignty

                rameshgupta@mastodon.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
                rameshgupta@mastodon.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
                rameshgupta@mastodon.social
                wrote sidst redigeret af
                #98

                ⬆️ @Em0nM4stodon

                >> If you live outside of the #UnitedStates, do you know if your country has a plan if the #US government decided to cut access to #Google, #Microsoft, and #Amazon products overnight?

                What better way to nuke the #tech #broligarch cartel in the US swiftly and for good? Go for it #USA.

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                • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                  If you live outside of the United States,
                  do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                  What would happen to your work?

                  What would happen to your hospitals?

                  What would happen to your emergency services?

                  What would happen to your banks?

                  Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                  What would happen?
                  Is your country prepared?

                  #DataSovereignty

                  onekind@beige.partyO This user is from outside of this forum
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                  onekind@beige.party
                  wrote sidst redigeret af
                  #99

                  @Em0nM4stodon have you ever heard of ISDS (investor state dispute settlement)?

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                  • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                    If you live outside of the United States,
                    do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                    What would happen to your work?

                    What would happen to your hospitals?

                    What would happen to your emergency services?

                    What would happen to your banks?

                    Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                    What would happen?
                    Is your country prepared?

                    #DataSovereignty

                    captainmalu@mastodon.socialC This user is from outside of this forum
                    captainmalu@mastodon.socialC This user is from outside of this forum
                    captainmalu@mastodon.social
                    wrote sidst redigeret af
                    #100

                    @Em0nM4stodon I would feel the impact personally as I'm dependent on Google, but I try to decrease this. For work I would be mostly fine but our customers are dependent on Microsoft and Amazon and some of there services they get from as are connected to azure and co. So there will be an impact. Also I don't know about the dependencies the Datacenter and power companies have. Electricity is very important. So the impact will be at least indirectly.

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                    • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                      If you live outside of the United States,
                      do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                      What would happen to your work?

                      What would happen to your hospitals?

                      What would happen to your emergency services?

                      What would happen to your banks?

                      Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                      What would happen?
                      Is your country prepared?

                      #DataSovereignty

                      orca@nya.oneO This user is from outside of this forum
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                      orca@nya.one
                      wrote sidst redigeret af
                      #101
                      @Em0nM4stodon@infosec.exchange I live in China, I can't use Google from the beginning and Microsoft services are sluggish due to Internet censorship. lol.
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                      • 98percent@mastodon.nz9 98percent@mastodon.nz

                        @Em0nM4stodon I live in New Zealand. The simple answer is no, we are not at all prepared.
                        Our government has been touting new data centres that have been established here to give us data sovereignty. But guess who runs them? AWS and Microsoft, for two.
                        Having the hardware on our soil is just an illusion of data sovereignty in my opinion (but I am not a tech expert).

                        thisislieven@c.imT This user is from outside of this forum
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                        thisislieven@c.im
                        wrote sidst redigeret af
                        #102

                        @98Percent

                        No tech expert either but I can tell you that is indeed an illusion. The US has passed two laws (one under Biden, the other under Trump) which explicitly give the US government access to data hosted by US companies regardless of the physical location of the hosting equipment. They have to request it but that's a mere formality.

                        Not too long ago a Microsoft official confirmed this while speaking in France, and said they will comply.

                        @Em0nM4stodon

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                        • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                          If you live outside of the United States,
                          do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                          What would happen to your work?

                          What would happen to your hospitals?

                          What would happen to your emergency services?

                          What would happen to your banks?

                          Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                          What would happen?
                          Is your country prepared?

                          #DataSovereignty

                          f3715h@rubber.socialF This user is from outside of this forum
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                          f3715h@rubber.social
                          wrote sidst redigeret af
                          #103

                          @Em0nM4stodon it is not.
                          - Like not at all!

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                          • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                            If you live outside of the United States,
                            do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                            What would happen to your work?

                            What would happen to your hospitals?

                            What would happen to your emergency services?

                            What would happen to your banks?

                            Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                            What would happen?
                            Is your country prepared?

                            #DataSovereignty

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                            spacelifeform@infosec.exchange
                            wrote sidst redigeret af
                            #104

                            @Em0nM4stodon

                            The same questions apply even inside the US.

                            What if the entire Microsoft cloud failed?

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                            • guigsy@mstdn.socialG guigsy@mstdn.social

                              @BubblegumYeti @Em0nM4stodon Stored in the EU provides almost zero protection. Your cloud is still run by a US company that WILL comply with US orders to exfiltrate your data and/or turn off the access.

                              benedikt_lauenburg@norden.socialB This user is from outside of this forum
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                              benedikt_lauenburg@norden.social
                              wrote sidst redigeret af
                              #105

                              @guigsy @BubblegumYeti @Em0nM4stodon the "cloud" of my company is inside the building. Files, websites, email. We don't use any external infrastructure except the line. Windows should continue to Work as it is not connected to Azure.

                              For private stuff, I use nextcloud, hosted inside the country. I also use a VPN to connect to my files at home.

                              Only problem remaining is Android for banking and ticketing apps.

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                              • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                                If you live outside of the United States,
                                do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                                What would happen to your work?

                                What would happen to your hospitals?

                                What would happen to your emergency services?

                                What would happen to your banks?

                                Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                                What would happen?
                                Is your country prepared?

                                #DataSovereignty

                                netzblockierer@tech.lgbtN This user is from outside of this forum
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                                netzblockierer@tech.lgbt
                                wrote sidst redigeret af
                                #106

                                @Em0nM4stodon OFC not.

                                • @bsi is criminally incompetent.
                                  • @Bundesregierung & @AuswaertigesAmt is busy licking #Trump's boots and
                                • @EUCommission under #Zensursula is completely ignorant!

                                I'll tell them #ToldYaSo and some friends will have a killer time charging 4-5 digits an hour to the highest bidders to get them deployed with a nice #Linux distro!

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                                • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                                  If you live outside of the United States,
                                  do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                                  What would happen to your work?

                                  What would happen to your hospitals?

                                  What would happen to your emergency services?

                                  What would happen to your banks?

                                  Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                                  What would happen?
                                  Is your country prepared?

                                  #DataSovereignty

                                  assimilateborg@kind.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  assimilateborg@kind.social
                                  wrote sidst redigeret af
                                  #107

                                  @Em0nM4stodon oh, I tried to warn my workplace to have a fall back solution. Well, no, nothing is done. Good thing is that it is my last year of work. So I actually don't care.

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                                  • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                                    If you live outside of the United States,
                                    do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                                    What would happen to your work?

                                    What would happen to your hospitals?

                                    What would happen to your emergency services?

                                    What would happen to your banks?

                                    Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                                    What would happen?
                                    Is your country prepared?

                                    #DataSovereignty

                                    g1n@infosec.exchangeG This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    g1n@infosec.exchange
                                    wrote sidst redigeret af
                                    #108

                                    @Em0nM4stodon my guess is only Russia, China, North Korea, Iran and Cuba may have that.
                                    That kind of puts in perspective the concept of freedom we generally use.

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                                    • stekopf@mstdn.socialS stekopf@mstdn.social

                                      @cmsdengl

                                      Wouldn't Windows XP computers unaffected? MS stopped support of this software long ago.
                                      (but of course it's bad to still use XP)

                                      @Em0nM4stodon

                                      98percent@mastodon.nz9 This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      98percent@mastodon.nz
                                      wrote sidst redigeret af
                                      #109

                                      @stekopf @cmsdengl @Em0nM4stodon any computer except perhaps Chromebooks should still work, but would not receive updates or connect to any external services.
                                      The issue that there would be nothing to connect to.

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                                      • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                                        If you live outside of the United States,
                                        do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                                        What would happen to your work?

                                        What would happen to your hospitals?

                                        What would happen to your emergency services?

                                        What would happen to your banks?

                                        Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                                        What would happen?
                                        Is your country prepared?

                                        #DataSovereignty

                                        tokenizer@fosstodon.orgT This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        tokenizer@fosstodon.org
                                        wrote sidst redigeret af
                                        #110

                                        @Em0nM4stodon paranoia.

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                                        • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                                          If you live outside of the United States,
                                          do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                                          What would happen to your work?

                                          What would happen to your hospitals?

                                          What would happen to your emergency services?

                                          What would happen to your banks?

                                          Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                                          What would happen?
                                          Is your country prepared?

                                          #DataSovereignty

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                                          lettosprey@tech.lgbt
                                          wrote sidst redigeret af
                                          #111

                                          @Em0nM4stodon tnx to Trump, things have gotten better. He sorta highlighted how bad it could get.

                                          But AI messed it up cause everyone needs Claude 😞

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