Skip to content
  • Hjem
  • Seneste
  • Etiketter
  • Populære
  • Verden
  • Bruger
  • Grupper
Temaer
  • Light
  • Brite
  • Cerulean
  • Cosmo
  • Flatly
  • Journal
  • Litera
  • Lumen
  • Lux
  • Materia
  • Minty
  • Morph
  • Pulse
  • Sandstone
  • Simplex
  • Sketchy
  • Spacelab
  • United
  • Yeti
  • Zephyr
  • Dark
  • Cyborg
  • Darkly
  • Quartz
  • Slate
  • Solar
  • Superhero
  • Vapor

  • Default (No Skin)
  • No Skin
Kollaps
FARVEL BIG TECH
  1. Forside
  2. Ikke-kategoriseret
  3. "Shade is supposed to be the enemy of a farm.

"Shade is supposed to be the enemy of a farm.

Planlagt Fastgjort Låst Flyttet Ikke-kategoriseret
44 Indlæg 33 Posters 0 Visninger
  • Ældste til nyeste
  • Nyeste til ældste
  • Most Votes
Svar
  • Svar som emne
Login for at svare
Denne tråd er blevet slettet. Kun brugere med emne behandlings privilegier kan se den.
  • antanicus@puntarella.partyA antanicus@puntarella.party

    "Shade is supposed to be the enemy of a farm. Crops chase sunlight, so roofing a field with panels ought to starve them. Yet plot after plot came in with more fruit, not less, and the plants looked healthier than the ones baking in the open. Stranger still, the shaded rows did it while drinking far less water. (...) Chiltepin pepper plants produced three times as much fruit as those grown in full sun. Jalapenos matched their usual harvest while using 65 percent less water. Tomatoes grown under the array came in at twice the normal yield."

    Good luck achieving that with a nuclear reactor.

    https://energiesmedia.com/solar-panels-farmland-crops-agrivoltaics/

    amanda@jawns.clubA This user is from outside of this forum
    amanda@jawns.clubA This user is from outside of this forum
    amanda@jawns.club
    wrote sidst redigeret af
    #13

    @antanicus This reminds me a bit of fruit walls, the technique that northern Europeans used in the 17th century to create teeny microclimates for a specific crop: https://solar.lowtechmagazine.com/2015/12/fruit-walls-urban-farming-in-the-1600s/

    I first learned about those at the Brooklyn Botanic Garden; they have examples of that espalier pruning technique in their collection.

    antanicus@puntarella.partyA ghostonthehalfshell@masto.aiG clew@ecoevo.socialC nellythewillow@mastodon.socialN vosje62@mastodon.nlV 5 Replies Last reply
    0
    • antanicus@puntarella.partyA antanicus@puntarella.party

      "Shade is supposed to be the enemy of a farm. Crops chase sunlight, so roofing a field with panels ought to starve them. Yet plot after plot came in with more fruit, not less, and the plants looked healthier than the ones baking in the open. Stranger still, the shaded rows did it while drinking far less water. (...) Chiltepin pepper plants produced three times as much fruit as those grown in full sun. Jalapenos matched their usual harvest while using 65 percent less water. Tomatoes grown under the array came in at twice the normal yield."

      Good luck achieving that with a nuclear reactor.

      https://energiesmedia.com/solar-panels-farmland-crops-agrivoltaics/

      wronglang@bayes.clubW This user is from outside of this forum
      wronglang@bayes.clubW This user is from outside of this forum
      wronglang@bayes.club
      wrote sidst redigeret af
      #14

      @antanicus I think it's pretty well known that some crops (peppers specifically) are very happy with selective shade, especially in places that get abundant sunshine

      1 Reply Last reply
      0
      • amanda@jawns.clubA amanda@jawns.club

        @antanicus This reminds me a bit of fruit walls, the technique that northern Europeans used in the 17th century to create teeny microclimates for a specific crop: https://solar.lowtechmagazine.com/2015/12/fruit-walls-urban-farming-in-the-1600s/

        I first learned about those at the Brooklyn Botanic Garden; they have examples of that espalier pruning technique in their collection.

        antanicus@puntarella.partyA This user is from outside of this forum
        antanicus@puntarella.partyA This user is from outside of this forum
        antanicus@puntarella.party
        wrote sidst redigeret af
        #15

        @amanda I'm a simple man, I see a Low Tech Magazine article, I boost

        1 Reply Last reply
        0
        • ajn142@infosec.exchangeA ajn142@infosec.exchange

          @cR0w @antanicus seems to be a rehash of a couple linked papers. The thing firing my low quality information (and probably AI generated) triggers is the fact that every single paragraph in the links article is a single sentence. The pull quote is really 7 separate paragraphs. Nobody writes like that to convey information, but it sure conveys pathos.

          antanicus@puntarella.partyA This user is from outside of this forum
          antanicus@puntarella.partyA This user is from outside of this forum
          antanicus@puntarella.party
          wrote sidst redigeret af
          #16

          @ajn142 either that or maybe it's a way to make the content more LLM-friendly?

          @cR0w

          1 Reply Last reply
          0
          • ninjadebugger@mastodon.sandwich.netN ninjadebugger@mastodon.sandwich.net

            @antanicus Researchers discover not all plants want constant unfiltered sunlight, a thing which has been known for literally thousands of years.

            salixsericea@mastodon.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
            salixsericea@mastodon.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
            salixsericea@mastodon.social
            wrote sidst redigeret af
            #17

            @NinjaDebugger @antanicus Yes, very much so. Meadows and fields with trees were still common in the hill country of my childhood because it was impossible to convert them to large open expanses required by industrial farming with million dollar machinery.

            1 Reply Last reply
            0
            • antanicus@puntarella.partyA antanicus@puntarella.party

              "Shade is supposed to be the enemy of a farm. Crops chase sunlight, so roofing a field with panels ought to starve them. Yet plot after plot came in with more fruit, not less, and the plants looked healthier than the ones baking in the open. Stranger still, the shaded rows did it while drinking far less water. (...) Chiltepin pepper plants produced three times as much fruit as those grown in full sun. Jalapenos matched their usual harvest while using 65 percent less water. Tomatoes grown under the array came in at twice the normal yield."

              Good luck achieving that with a nuclear reactor.

              https://energiesmedia.com/solar-panels-farmland-crops-agrivoltaics/

              G This user is from outside of this forum
              G This user is from outside of this forum
              guenther@chaos.social
              wrote sidst redigeret af
              #18

              @antanicus pretty sure nobody thought that lack of sunlight was the limiting factor for plant growth in the *Arizona desert*.

              1 Reply Last reply
              0
              • ninjadebugger@mastodon.sandwich.netN ninjadebugger@mastodon.sandwich.net

                @antanicus Researchers discover not all plants want constant unfiltered sunlight, a thing which has been known for literally thousands of years.

                16af93@wetdry.world1 This user is from outside of this forum
                16af93@wetdry.world1 This user is from outside of this forum
                16af93@wetdry.world
                wrote sidst redigeret af
                #19

                @NinjaDebugger

                ah, but you don't understand! previously that was knowledge gained and spread by dirty peasants without a degree from havard or the like!

                now thx to professors dr dr guy mac scientist (phd) this has become real knowledge done by serious scientists while also being able to pad their resume!

                (/sarcasm)

                @antanicus

                1 Reply Last reply
                0
                • ninjadebugger@mastodon.sandwich.netN ninjadebugger@mastodon.sandwich.net

                  @antanicus Researchers discover not all plants want constant unfiltered sunlight, a thing which has been known for literally thousands of years.

                  bwebster@dice.campB This user is from outside of this forum
                  bwebster@dice.campB This user is from outside of this forum
                  bwebster@dice.camp
                  wrote sidst redigeret af
                  #20

                  @NinjaDebugger @antanicus for anyone curious who wants to learn more about this, three sisters farming has been practiced by the indigenous people of this land for thousands of years: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Sisters_(agriculture)

                  1 Reply Last reply
                  0
                  • antanicus@puntarella.partyA antanicus@puntarella.party

                    "Shade is supposed to be the enemy of a farm. Crops chase sunlight, so roofing a field with panels ought to starve them. Yet plot after plot came in with more fruit, not less, and the plants looked healthier than the ones baking in the open. Stranger still, the shaded rows did it while drinking far less water. (...) Chiltepin pepper plants produced three times as much fruit as those grown in full sun. Jalapenos matched their usual harvest while using 65 percent less water. Tomatoes grown under the array came in at twice the normal yield."

                    Good luck achieving that with a nuclear reactor.

                    https://energiesmedia.com/solar-panels-farmland-crops-agrivoltaics/

                    coho@climatejustice.socialC This user is from outside of this forum
                    coho@climatejustice.socialC This user is from outside of this forum
                    coho@climatejustice.social
                    wrote sidst redigeret af
                    #21

                    @antanicus
                    I have to use shade cloth in the summer , CA is way too hot inland.

                    1 Reply Last reply
                    0
                    • antanicus@puntarella.partyA antanicus@puntarella.party

                      "Shade is supposed to be the enemy of a farm. Crops chase sunlight, so roofing a field with panels ought to starve them. Yet plot after plot came in with more fruit, not less, and the plants looked healthier than the ones baking in the open. Stranger still, the shaded rows did it while drinking far less water. (...) Chiltepin pepper plants produced three times as much fruit as those grown in full sun. Jalapenos matched their usual harvest while using 65 percent less water. Tomatoes grown under the array came in at twice the normal yield."

                      Good luck achieving that with a nuclear reactor.

                      https://energiesmedia.com/solar-panels-farmland-crops-agrivoltaics/

                      mennowolff@ohai.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
                      mennowolff@ohai.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
                      mennowolff@ohai.social
                      wrote sidst redigeret af
                      #22

                      @antanicus
                      But think of the poor farmworkers who will bump their heads.... Said no one ever😞

                      1 Reply Last reply
                      0
                      • antanicus@puntarella.partyA antanicus@puntarella.party

                        "Shade is supposed to be the enemy of a farm. Crops chase sunlight, so roofing a field with panels ought to starve them. Yet plot after plot came in with more fruit, not less, and the plants looked healthier than the ones baking in the open. Stranger still, the shaded rows did it while drinking far less water. (...) Chiltepin pepper plants produced three times as much fruit as those grown in full sun. Jalapenos matched their usual harvest while using 65 percent less water. Tomatoes grown under the array came in at twice the normal yield."

                        Good luck achieving that with a nuclear reactor.

                        https://energiesmedia.com/solar-panels-farmland-crops-agrivoltaics/

                        ghostonthehalfshell@masto.aiG This user is from outside of this forum
                        ghostonthehalfshell@masto.aiG This user is from outside of this forum
                        ghostonthehalfshell@masto.ai
                        wrote sidst redigeret af
                        #23

                        @antanicus

                        This doesn’t seem to be mystery meat. Direct sunlight require plants to cool themselves by evaporating moisture.

                        It’s almost like plants do better with partial shade. You know like tree cover things like that a mixed environment with other plants whose roots are in the soil that diversify the soil biome creating more fertile environment, that recycles nutrients and water.

                        cpr320@frontrange.coC 1 Reply Last reply
                        0
                        • antanicus@puntarella.partyA antanicus@puntarella.party

                          "Shade is supposed to be the enemy of a farm. Crops chase sunlight, so roofing a field with panels ought to starve them. Yet plot after plot came in with more fruit, not less, and the plants looked healthier than the ones baking in the open. Stranger still, the shaded rows did it while drinking far less water. (...) Chiltepin pepper plants produced three times as much fruit as those grown in full sun. Jalapenos matched their usual harvest while using 65 percent less water. Tomatoes grown under the array came in at twice the normal yield."

                          Good luck achieving that with a nuclear reactor.

                          https://energiesmedia.com/solar-panels-farmland-crops-agrivoltaics/

                          huntingdon@mstdn.socialH This user is from outside of this forum
                          huntingdon@mstdn.socialH This user is from outside of this forum
                          huntingdon@mstdn.social
                          wrote sidst redigeret af
                          #24

                          @antanicus

                          As with sugar or salt, one can have too much sun, especially as the Climate Crisis changes weather patterns and average amounts of daily sunlight.

                          Solar panels generate energy and shade, both of which can be good things, if used correctly.

                          1 Reply Last reply
                          0
                          • amanda@jawns.clubA amanda@jawns.club

                            @antanicus This reminds me a bit of fruit walls, the technique that northern Europeans used in the 17th century to create teeny microclimates for a specific crop: https://solar.lowtechmagazine.com/2015/12/fruit-walls-urban-farming-in-the-1600s/

                            I first learned about those at the Brooklyn Botanic Garden; they have examples of that espalier pruning technique in their collection.

                            ghostonthehalfshell@masto.aiG This user is from outside of this forum
                            ghostonthehalfshell@masto.aiG This user is from outside of this forum
                            ghostonthehalfshell@masto.ai
                            wrote sidst redigeret af
                            #25

                            @amanda @antanicus

                            The Romans, very early on would practice multi crop agriculture where a family could sustain itself on fairly small amount of land. I think it was under a hectare. Like a small percentage of a hectare. As the plow was introduced in farms became larger to produce a cash crop A family eventually began to need multiple hectares to sustain themselves

                            1 Reply Last reply
                            0
                            • amanda@jawns.clubA amanda@jawns.club

                              @antanicus This reminds me a bit of fruit walls, the technique that northern Europeans used in the 17th century to create teeny microclimates for a specific crop: https://solar.lowtechmagazine.com/2015/12/fruit-walls-urban-farming-in-the-1600s/

                              I first learned about those at the Brooklyn Botanic Garden; they have examples of that espalier pruning technique in their collection.

                              clew@ecoevo.socialC This user is from outside of this forum
                              clew@ecoevo.socialC This user is from outside of this forum
                              clew@ecoevo.social
                              wrote sidst redigeret af
                              #26

                              The fruit walls are also a counter example, since they needed all the light they could gather to sweeten the fruit. Microclimates differ in all sorts of ways.

                              I’m worried about the long term effect of techno trash being broken in fields and not quite picked up and driven over etc etc etc. It’s f’n hard enough to clean up old farms full of rusty iron and tilled in ag plastic and those are relatively inert.

                              @amanda @antanicus

                              1 Reply Last reply
                              0
                              • folfdk@helvede.netF folfdk@helvede.net shared this topic
                              • ghostonthehalfshell@masto.aiG ghostonthehalfshell@masto.ai

                                @antanicus

                                This doesn’t seem to be mystery meat. Direct sunlight require plants to cool themselves by evaporating moisture.

                                It’s almost like plants do better with partial shade. You know like tree cover things like that a mixed environment with other plants whose roots are in the soil that diversify the soil biome creating more fertile environment, that recycles nutrients and water.

                                cpr320@frontrange.coC This user is from outside of this forum
                                cpr320@frontrange.coC This user is from outside of this forum
                                cpr320@frontrange.co
                                wrote sidst redigeret af
                                #27

                                @GhostOnTheHalfShell @antanicus It depends on the climate and the plant, of course. It works best where it's sunny and dry, because the solar panels stop half the sunlight but let all the rain through.

                                1 Reply Last reply
                                0
                                • nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbtN nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbt

                                  @antanicus the article reprints an article that reprints an article that refers to a small-scale but promising study from 2019 - https://www.researchgate.net/publication/335583033_Agrivoltaics_provide_mutual_benefits_across_the_food-energy-water_nexus_in_drylands

                                  The area of the each test site was 9x18 meters, and the study seemingly was running only for a year or two. I am not sure if the results are as readily replicable as the articles claim. However, the point of the research was the plants that are adapted to shade - like cherry tomatoes and jalapenos - so it is not that surprising they'd thrive in such conditions, and humanity definitely should experiment MUCH more with stuff like this.

                                  leelatorres@ieji.deL This user is from outside of this forum
                                  leelatorres@ieji.deL This user is from outside of this forum
                                  leelatorres@ieji.de
                                  wrote sidst redigeret af
                                  #28

                                  @nina_kali_nina @antanicus
                                  Fraunhofer Institute, those who invented and spread the mp3 codec, research a lot in Agrisolar

                                  https://agri-pv.org/en/

                                  #Agrisolar #AgriPV #agrivoltaic

                                  1 Reply Last reply
                                  0
                                  • antanicus@puntarella.partyA antanicus@puntarella.party

                                    "Shade is supposed to be the enemy of a farm. Crops chase sunlight, so roofing a field with panels ought to starve them. Yet plot after plot came in with more fruit, not less, and the plants looked healthier than the ones baking in the open. Stranger still, the shaded rows did it while drinking far less water. (...) Chiltepin pepper plants produced three times as much fruit as those grown in full sun. Jalapenos matched their usual harvest while using 65 percent less water. Tomatoes grown under the array came in at twice the normal yield."

                                    Good luck achieving that with a nuclear reactor.

                                    https://energiesmedia.com/solar-panels-farmland-crops-agrivoltaics/

                                    juh@hostsharing.coopJ This user is from outside of this forum
                                    juh@hostsharing.coopJ This user is from outside of this forum
                                    juh@hostsharing.coop
                                    wrote sidst redigeret af
                                    #29

                                    @antanicus No one could have foreseen that! Why doesn’t Trump just issue a decree to change the laws of nature?

                                    vosje62@mastodon.nlV 1 Reply Last reply
                                    0
                                    • antanicus@puntarella.partyA antanicus@puntarella.party

                                      "Shade is supposed to be the enemy of a farm. Crops chase sunlight, so roofing a field with panels ought to starve them. Yet plot after plot came in with more fruit, not less, and the plants looked healthier than the ones baking in the open. Stranger still, the shaded rows did it while drinking far less water. (...) Chiltepin pepper plants produced three times as much fruit as those grown in full sun. Jalapenos matched their usual harvest while using 65 percent less water. Tomatoes grown under the array came in at twice the normal yield."

                                      Good luck achieving that with a nuclear reactor.

                                      https://energiesmedia.com/solar-panels-farmland-crops-agrivoltaics/

                                      nielso@digitalcourage.socialN This user is from outside of this forum
                                      nielso@digitalcourage.socialN This user is from outside of this forum
                                      nielso@digitalcourage.social
                                      wrote sidst redigeret af
                                      #30

                                      @antanicus

                                      Pilot projects in Southern Germany have shown similar effects with apple orchards. It has become too hot and sunny for the types of apples traditionally grown in the region.

                                      Another topic for growing apples is hail, which can destroy the fruits. Solar panels also provide protection against hail. (Well, until the hailstorms get so desastrous that they also kill solar panels, okay.)

                                      schnitzer@sueden.socialS 1 Reply Last reply
                                      0
                                      • amanda@jawns.clubA amanda@jawns.club

                                        @antanicus This reminds me a bit of fruit walls, the technique that northern Europeans used in the 17th century to create teeny microclimates for a specific crop: https://solar.lowtechmagazine.com/2015/12/fruit-walls-urban-farming-in-the-1600s/

                                        I first learned about those at the Brooklyn Botanic Garden; they have examples of that espalier pruning technique in their collection.

                                        nellythewillow@mastodon.socialN This user is from outside of this forum
                                        nellythewillow@mastodon.socialN This user is from outside of this forum
                                        nellythewillow@mastodon.social
                                        wrote sidst redigeret af
                                        #31

                                        @amanda @antanicus Fruit walls are still used extensively today and taught in horticultural colleges, in England at least and elsewhere I would have thought.

                                        1 Reply Last reply
                                        0
                                        • boerps@nrw.socialB boerps@nrw.social

                                          @antanicus
                                          Ach? Warum bauen Landwirte wohl Folientunnel?

                                          feinschmeckergarten@norden.socialF This user is from outside of this forum
                                          feinschmeckergarten@norden.socialF This user is from outside of this forum
                                          feinschmeckergarten@norden.social
                                          wrote sidst redigeret af
                                          #32

                                          @Boerps Weil es z.B. in Norddeutschland für viele Pflanzen draußen einfach zu kalt und zu nass ist. Da nimmt man dann auch in Kauf, dass die Lichttransmission von Plastikfolien etwas geringer ist als die von Glas, weil Plastik so viel billiger ist.

                                          @antanicus

                                          boerps@nrw.socialB 1 Reply Last reply
                                          0
                                          Svar
                                          • Svar som emne
                                          Login for at svare
                                          • Ældste til nyeste
                                          • Nyeste til ældste
                                          • Most Votes


                                          • Log ind

                                          • Har du ikke en konto? Tilmeld

                                          • Login or register to search.
                                          Powered by NodeBB Contributors
                                          Graciously hosted by data.coop
                                          • First post
                                            Last post
                                          0
                                          • Hjem
                                          • Seneste
                                          • Etiketter
                                          • Populære
                                          • Verden
                                          • Bruger
                                          • Grupper