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  • dallo@pouet.chapril.orgD dallo@pouet.chapril.org

    @Khrys
    Btw if you didn't see it yet, there is a list of projects that pledged not to use AI or are disrupting it https://noai.starlightnet.work/list.html

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    #10

    @dallo @Khrys QEMU 😍

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    • khrys@mamot.frK khrys@mamot.fr

      RT if you want a CLEAR statement about AI from all GNU/Linux distributions and are ready to quit any distribution that is ok with integrating AI slopware.

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      #11

      @Khrys

      Pour repouet, on ne devrait pas écrire RP au lieu de RT? 🤡

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      • mafraise@pouet.chapril.orgM mafraise@pouet.chapril.org

        @Khrys

        Pour repouet, on ne devrait pas écrire RP au lieu de RT? 🤡

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        #12

        @mafraise J'ai écrit en anglais. En anglais on dit retoot 🤪

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        • khrys@mamot.frK khrys@mamot.fr

          RT if you want a CLEAR statement about AI from all GNU/Linux distributions and are ready to quit any distribution that is ok with integrating AI slopware.

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          #13

          @Khrys ah je veux bien un "clear statement" mais je préfère que les gens puissent se faire une opinion par eux même (basée sur l'éducation d'un espresso du lundi par exemple 🙂 )

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          • breizh@pleroma.breizh.pmB breizh@pleroma.breizh.pm

            @shaft@piaille.fr @Khrys@mamot.fr There you have.

            https://docs.kernel.org/process/coding-assistants.html

            Time to switch to BSD ? Well, I don’t know their position.

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            #14

            @breizh @Khrys Ok, ça confirme ce que j'avais vu passer 😬

            Chez BSD, j'ai vu que NetBSD pour l'instant et la porte n'est pas totalement fermée (de toutes façons, reste ensuite le problème des softs au-dessus)

            https://www.netbsd.org/developers/commit-guidelines.html

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            • breizh@pleroma.breizh.pmB breizh@pleroma.breizh.pm

              @shaft@piaille.fr @Khrys@mamot.fr There you have.

              https://docs.kernel.org/process/coding-assistants.html

              Time to switch to BSD ? Well, I don’t know their position.

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              #15

              @breizh @Khrys @shaft BSD is open source not libre. What about Hurd and Plan9?

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              • dallo@pouet.chapril.orgD dallo@pouet.chapril.org

                @breizh @Khrys @shaft BSD is open source not libre. What about Hurd and Plan9?

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                #16

                @dallo @breizh @Khrys I want tools usable by regular human beings with little or no technical knowledge. Not niche stuff for people with 30+ years of sysadmin experience 😬

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                • breizh@pleroma.breizh.pmB breizh@pleroma.breizh.pm

                  @shaft@piaille.fr @Khrys@mamot.fr There you have.

                  https://docs.kernel.org/process/coding-assistants.html

                  Time to switch to BSD ? Well, I don’t know their position.

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                  #17

                  @breizh @Khrys @shaft

                  #NetBSD has explicitly banned AI code from being incorporated into the system.

                  I suspect both #FreeBSD and #OpenBSD will take similar positions, probably for the same reasons (dubious provenance and quality issues, problems with code licensing, etc.).

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                  • shaft@piaille.frS shaft@piaille.fr

                    @dallo @breizh @Khrys I want tools usable by regular human beings with little or no technical knowledge. Not niche stuff for people with 30+ years of sysadmin experience 😬

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                    #18

                    @shaft @breizh @Khrys I met people running Hurd/GUIX. They were not people with 30+ years of sysadmin experience. I never met anyone running Plan9 though.

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                    • paradegrotesque@mastodon.sdf.orgP paradegrotesque@mastodon.sdf.org

                      @breizh @Khrys @shaft

                      #NetBSD has explicitly banned AI code from being incorporated into the system.

                      I suspect both #FreeBSD and #OpenBSD will take similar positions, probably for the same reasons (dubious provenance and quality issues, problems with code licensing, etc.).

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                      #19

                      @ParadeGrotesque @breizh @Khrys The door is not 100% closed in NetBSD

                      “Code generated by a large language model or similar technology [...] is presumed to be tainted code, and must not be committed without prior written approval by core.”

                      An approval can be given

                      https://www.netbsd.org/developers/commit-guidelines.html

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                      • shaft@piaille.frS shaft@piaille.fr

                        @ParadeGrotesque @breizh @Khrys The door is not 100% closed in NetBSD

                        “Code generated by a large language model or similar technology [...] is presumed to be tainted code, and must not be committed without prior written approval by core.”

                        An approval can be given

                        https://www.netbsd.org/developers/commit-guidelines.html

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                        #20

                        @shaft

                        What you say is true, but I don't see NetBSD core team give an approval of this kind any time soon.

                        As far as I know, nothing has been approved so far, but I'll welcome information and corrections from the #netbsd developers on the Fediverse (and there are quite a few here).

                        @breizh @Khrys

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                        • khrys@mamot.frK khrys@mamot.fr

                          RT if you want a CLEAR statement about AI from all GNU/Linux distributions and are ready to quit any distribution that is ok with integrating AI slopware.

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                          #21

                          @Khrys With low level system libraries getting on the AI bandwagon, it may very soon be impossible to have an AI free distro.

                          We are well and truly screwed.

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                          • paradegrotesque@mastodon.sdf.orgP paradegrotesque@mastodon.sdf.org

                            @shaft

                            What you say is true, but I don't see NetBSD core team give an approval of this kind any time soon.

                            As far as I know, nothing has been approved so far, but I'll welcome information and corrections from the #netbsd developers on the Fediverse (and there are quite a few here).

                            @breizh @Khrys

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                            #22

                            @ParadeGrotesque @breizh @Khrys Anyway: you have your AI-Free kernel. Nice. Then all the softwares that will run on this kernel, ranging from the shell to the web browser have to be AI-free 😬

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                            • dallo@pouet.chapril.orgD dallo@pouet.chapril.org

                              @Khrys
                              Since I read that systemd is going to include slop, a lot of them is concern

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                              @dallo @Khrys We can probably assume everything maintained by RedHat is going to include LLM-extruded code, since IBM calls the shots.

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                              • fmasy@piaille.frF fmasy@piaille.fr

                                @Khrys Ready to quit ?
                                It depends ... what is the degree of cleaness that we consider ?

                                I may be wrong, but isn't the linux kernel project already accepting contributions made with the use of AI-generated code ?

                                If this is the case, then there is no such GNU/Linux AI-free distribution anymore.

                                Edit: to avoid confusion, that would be something I regret. But would I have the strength to resist it ? I don't know.

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                                #24

                                @fmasy @Khrys

                                AFAIK GNU doesn't, got a source?

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                                • shaft@piaille.frS shaft@piaille.fr

                                  @ParadeGrotesque @breizh @Khrys Anyway: you have your AI-Free kernel. Nice. Then all the softwares that will run on this kernel, ranging from the shell to the web browser have to be AI-free 😬

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                                  #25

                                  @shaft

                                  BSD user land (shell, utilities, etc.) is part of the distribution, and is often created and maintained by the same developers as the kernel.

                                  So no AI there either.

                                  Which means BSDs, in general, are more consistent and have slightly lighter utilities than Linux.

                                  For example: ksh is usually a version of pdksh, and is maintained by several developers from all 3 major BSDs (if I remember well).

                                  @breizh @Khrys

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                                  • dallo@pouet.chapril.orgD dallo@pouet.chapril.org

                                    @Khrys
                                    Btw if you didn't see it yet, there is a list of projects that pledged not to use AI or are disrupting it https://noai.starlightnet.work/list.html

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                                    #26

                                    @dallo @Khrys Go Inkscape! 👏💃🕺@doctormo

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                                    • breizh@pleroma.breizh.pmB breizh@pleroma.breizh.pm

                                      @shaft@piaille.fr @Khrys@mamot.fr There you have.

                                      https://docs.kernel.org/process/coding-assistants.html

                                      Time to switch to BSD ? Well, I don’t know their position.

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                                      #27

                                      RE: https://mastodon.bsd.cafe/@grahamperrin/116220642823558416

                                      @breizh re: Linux, thank you for providing the missing link to docs.kernel.org.

                                      There are multiple BSD distros.

                                      For FreeBSD, the quoted post might help.

                                      cc @ParadeGrotesque

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                                      • dallo@pouet.chapril.orgD dallo@pouet.chapril.org

                                        @Khrys
                                        Since I read that systemd is going to include slop, a lot of them is concern

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                                        @dallo @Khrys I just saw elementary OS on the list, but they do use systemD so we will see what happens. If the Wayland session can be refined a bit more I could run it, but I do miss having an actual desktop with icons.

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                                        • khrys@mamot.frK khrys@mamot.fr

                                          RT if you want a CLEAR statement about AI from all GNU/Linux distributions and are ready to quit any distribution that is ok with integrating AI slopware.

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                                          #29
                                          @Khrys why? For security concerns? For ethical reasons?
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