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  • khrys@mamot.frK khrys@mamot.fr

    RT if you want a CLEAR statement about AI from all GNU/Linux distributions and are ready to quit any distribution that is ok with integrating AI slopware.

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    #2

    @Khrys
    Since I read that systemd is going to include slop, a lot of them is concern

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    • dallo@pouet.chapril.orgD dallo@pouet.chapril.org

      @Khrys
      Since I read that systemd is going to include slop, a lot of them is concern

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      #3

      @dallo That's precisely why I'm asking 😈

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      • khrys@mamot.frK khrys@mamot.fr

        @dallo That's precisely why I'm asking 😈

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        #4

        @Khrys
        Yes just saw your other post. Was coming back here to edit mine. 😅

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        • khrys@mamot.frK khrys@mamot.fr

          RT if you want a CLEAR statement about AI from all GNU/Linux distributions and are ready to quit any distribution that is ok with integrating AI slopware.

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          #5

          @Khrys Ready to quit ?
          It depends ... what is the degree of cleaness that we consider ?

          I may be wrong, but isn't the linux kernel project already accepting contributions made with the use of AI-generated code ?

          If this is the case, then there is no such GNU/Linux AI-free distribution anymore.

          Edit: to avoid confusion, that would be something I regret. But would I have the strength to resist it ? I don't know.

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          • dallo@pouet.chapril.orgD dallo@pouet.chapril.org

            @Khrys
            Yes just saw your other post. Was coming back here to edit mine. 😅

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            #6

            @Khrys
            Btw if you didn't see it yet, there is a list of projects that pledged not to use AI or are disrupting it https://noai.starlightnet.work/list.html

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            • khrys@mamot.frK khrys@mamot.fr

              RT if you want a CLEAR statement about AI from all GNU/Linux distributions and are ready to quit any distribution that is ok with integrating AI slopware.

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              @Khrys I think Linus was quite clear on that. What will happen when generated code will be in the kernel? You can also check position or cURL creator on LLM code, which is widely used

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              • khrys@mamot.frK khrys@mamot.fr

                RT if you want a CLEAR statement about AI from all GNU/Linux distributions and are ready to quit any distribution that is ok with integrating AI slopware.

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                #8

                @Khrys I want a clear statement by the kernel devteam too

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                • shaft@piaille.frS shaft@piaille.fr

                  @Khrys I want a clear statement by the kernel devteam too

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                  #9

                  @shaft@piaille.fr @Khrys@mamot.fr There you have.

                  https://docs.kernel.org/process/coding-assistants.html

                  Time to switch to BSD ? Well, I don’t know their position.

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                  • dallo@pouet.chapril.orgD dallo@pouet.chapril.org

                    @Khrys
                    Btw if you didn't see it yet, there is a list of projects that pledged not to use AI or are disrupting it https://noai.starlightnet.work/list.html

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                    #10

                    @dallo @Khrys QEMU 😍

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                    • khrys@mamot.frK khrys@mamot.fr

                      RT if you want a CLEAR statement about AI from all GNU/Linux distributions and are ready to quit any distribution that is ok with integrating AI slopware.

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                      #11

                      @Khrys

                      Pour repouet, on ne devrait pas écrire RP au lieu de RT? 🤡

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                      • mafraise@pouet.chapril.orgM mafraise@pouet.chapril.org

                        @Khrys

                        Pour repouet, on ne devrait pas écrire RP au lieu de RT? 🤡

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                        @mafraise J'ai écrit en anglais. En anglais on dit retoot 🤪

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                        • khrys@mamot.frK khrys@mamot.fr

                          RT if you want a CLEAR statement about AI from all GNU/Linux distributions and are ready to quit any distribution that is ok with integrating AI slopware.

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                          #13

                          @Khrys ah je veux bien un "clear statement" mais je préfère que les gens puissent se faire une opinion par eux même (basée sur l'éducation d'un espresso du lundi par exemple 🙂 )

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                          • breizh@pleroma.breizh.pmB breizh@pleroma.breizh.pm

                            @shaft@piaille.fr @Khrys@mamot.fr There you have.

                            https://docs.kernel.org/process/coding-assistants.html

                            Time to switch to BSD ? Well, I don’t know their position.

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                            @breizh @Khrys Ok, ça confirme ce que j'avais vu passer 😬

                            Chez BSD, j'ai vu que NetBSD pour l'instant et la porte n'est pas totalement fermée (de toutes façons, reste ensuite le problème des softs au-dessus)

                            https://www.netbsd.org/developers/commit-guidelines.html

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                            • breizh@pleroma.breizh.pmB breizh@pleroma.breizh.pm

                              @shaft@piaille.fr @Khrys@mamot.fr There you have.

                              https://docs.kernel.org/process/coding-assistants.html

                              Time to switch to BSD ? Well, I don’t know their position.

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                              @breizh @Khrys @shaft BSD is open source not libre. What about Hurd and Plan9?

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                              • dallo@pouet.chapril.orgD dallo@pouet.chapril.org

                                @breizh @Khrys @shaft BSD is open source not libre. What about Hurd and Plan9?

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                                #16

                                @dallo @breizh @Khrys I want tools usable by regular human beings with little or no technical knowledge. Not niche stuff for people with 30+ years of sysadmin experience 😬

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                                • breizh@pleroma.breizh.pmB breizh@pleroma.breizh.pm

                                  @shaft@piaille.fr @Khrys@mamot.fr There you have.

                                  https://docs.kernel.org/process/coding-assistants.html

                                  Time to switch to BSD ? Well, I don’t know their position.

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                                  @breizh @Khrys @shaft

                                  #NetBSD has explicitly banned AI code from being incorporated into the system.

                                  I suspect both #FreeBSD and #OpenBSD will take similar positions, probably for the same reasons (dubious provenance and quality issues, problems with code licensing, etc.).

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                                  • shaft@piaille.frS shaft@piaille.fr

                                    @dallo @breizh @Khrys I want tools usable by regular human beings with little or no technical knowledge. Not niche stuff for people with 30+ years of sysadmin experience 😬

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                                    @shaft @breizh @Khrys I met people running Hurd/GUIX. They were not people with 30+ years of sysadmin experience. I never met anyone running Plan9 though.

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                                    • paradegrotesque@mastodon.sdf.orgP paradegrotesque@mastodon.sdf.org

                                      @breizh @Khrys @shaft

                                      #NetBSD has explicitly banned AI code from being incorporated into the system.

                                      I suspect both #FreeBSD and #OpenBSD will take similar positions, probably for the same reasons (dubious provenance and quality issues, problems with code licensing, etc.).

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                                      #19

                                      @ParadeGrotesque @breizh @Khrys The door is not 100% closed in NetBSD

                                      “Code generated by a large language model or similar technology [...] is presumed to be tainted code, and must not be committed without prior written approval by core.”

                                      An approval can be given

                                      https://www.netbsd.org/developers/commit-guidelines.html

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                                      • shaft@piaille.frS shaft@piaille.fr

                                        @ParadeGrotesque @breizh @Khrys The door is not 100% closed in NetBSD

                                        “Code generated by a large language model or similar technology [...] is presumed to be tainted code, and must not be committed without prior written approval by core.”

                                        An approval can be given

                                        https://www.netbsd.org/developers/commit-guidelines.html

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                                        #20

                                        @shaft

                                        What you say is true, but I don't see NetBSD core team give an approval of this kind any time soon.

                                        As far as I know, nothing has been approved so far, but I'll welcome information and corrections from the #netbsd developers on the Fediverse (and there are quite a few here).

                                        @breizh @Khrys

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                                        • khrys@mamot.frK khrys@mamot.fr

                                          RT if you want a CLEAR statement about AI from all GNU/Linux distributions and are ready to quit any distribution that is ok with integrating AI slopware.

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                                          #21

                                          @Khrys With low level system libraries getting on the AI bandwagon, it may very soon be impossible to have an AI free distro.

                                          We are well and truly screwed.

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