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  3. I will say this again: Science isn’t just something that nerds do, it’s the foundation of the modern world.

I will say this again: Science isn’t just something that nerds do, it’s the foundation of the modern world.

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  • lordcaramac@discordian.socialL lordcaramac@discordian.social

    @tuban_muzuru @davidho A lot of really important and exciting new science has been coming out of China in recent years. It's not like science will die with the US.

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    @LordCaramac @davidho

    We'll see. PRC is in planet-busting trouble if their shadow banking system goes under. A financial black hole will open under Shanghai and suck a good deal of the world in. PRC-style capitalism will come to a bad end, as the Japanese Collapse of the 1990s

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    • davidho@mastodon.worldD davidho@mastodon.world

      I will say this again: Science isn’t just something that nerds do, it’s the foundation of the modern world.

      It’s why this app exists. It’s why child mortality rate isn’t 50% anymore. It’s how we’re able to launch people to the moon. It’s how we’re able to grow food that feeds half the world’s population.

      https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-026-01105-7

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      #6

      @davidho The problem with science is that it can be biased and perverted. People lose trust in science when it winds up saying whatever industry has paid it to say. Academia is also seriously toxic in many places. I'm a big fan of science, but it's easy to see where the trust was lost.

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      • brettcoulstock@adforward.orgB brettcoulstock@adforward.org

        @davidho The problem with science is that it can be biased and perverted. People lose trust in science when it winds up saying whatever industry has paid it to say. Academia is also seriously toxic in many places. I'm a big fan of science, but it's easy to see where the trust was lost.

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        #7

        @BrettCoulstock @davidho

        Yeah, science vastly empowers.

        It's the non-sciences of ethics, morals, values, politics that needs to keep science and technology firmly under control.

        And has not.

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        • tuban_muzuru@ohai.socialT tuban_muzuru@ohai.social

          @LordCaramac @davidho

          We'll see. PRC is in planet-busting trouble if their shadow banking system goes under. A financial black hole will open under Shanghai and suck a good deal of the world in. PRC-style capitalism will come to a bad end, as the Japanese Collapse of the 1990s

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          @tuban_muzuru @LordCaramac @davidho evergrande is being liquidated, but like 1/5 of the global population and a quarter of the manufacturing capacity is still there

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          • cykonot@mas.toC cykonot@mas.to

            @tuban_muzuru @LordCaramac @davidho evergrande is being liquidated, but like 1/5 of the global population and a quarter of the manufacturing capacity is still there

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            #9

            @cykonot @LordCaramac @davidho

            PRC forces its provinces to borrow money for them.

            "To borrow money is glorious."

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            • davidho@mastodon.worldD davidho@mastodon.world

              I will say this again: Science isn’t just something that nerds do, it’s the foundation of the modern world.

              It’s why this app exists. It’s why child mortality rate isn’t 50% anymore. It’s how we’re able to launch people to the moon. It’s how we’re able to grow food that feeds half the world’s population.

              https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-026-01105-7

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              #10

              @davidho
              Honestly, I think the U.S. right now has vastly bigger problems to deal with than science funding cuts.

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              • tuban_muzuru@ohai.socialT tuban_muzuru@ohai.social

                @cykonot @LordCaramac @davidho

                PRC forces its provinces to borrow money for them.

                "To borrow money is glorious."

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                #11

                @tuban_muzuru @LordCaramac @davidho provincial debt is real, but i believe the sum of their provincial and national debts is still less than US national debt (albeit comparable). I doubt that so much of their infrastructure is made of tofu that they're worse off than our aging petrochemical guzzling logistics backbone

                Would be neat if our debt crisis wasn't being made unnecessarily worse while the petrodollar gets further undermined by Iran trading in yuan... Maybe the inflation will save us 😂

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                • cykonot@mas.toC cykonot@mas.to

                  @tuban_muzuru @LordCaramac @davidho provincial debt is real, but i believe the sum of their provincial and national debts is still less than US national debt (albeit comparable). I doubt that so much of their infrastructure is made of tofu that they're worse off than our aging petrochemical guzzling logistics backbone

                  Would be neat if our debt crisis wasn't being made unnecessarily worse while the petrodollar gets further undermined by Iran trading in yuan... Maybe the inflation will save us 😂

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                  #12

                  @cykonot @LordCaramac @davidho

                  Then there's the shadow banking.

                  And the lying.

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                  • sunscream@mstdn.socialS sunscream@mstdn.social

                    @davidho
                    Honestly, I think the U.S. right now has vastly bigger problems to deal with than science funding cuts.

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                    #13

                    @sunscream @davidho this feels myopic

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                    • davidho@mastodon.worldD davidho@mastodon.world

                      I will say this again: Science isn’t just something that nerds do, it’s the foundation of the modern world.

                      It’s why this app exists. It’s why child mortality rate isn’t 50% anymore. It’s how we’re able to launch people to the moon. It’s how we’re able to grow food that feeds half the world’s population.

                      https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-026-01105-7

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                      #14

                      @davidho
                      We have to do science resiliently. Do it in spite of the lack of money and a hostile system. Because it is needed now more than ever.

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                      • brettcoulstock@adforward.orgB brettcoulstock@adforward.org

                        @davidho The problem with science is that it can be biased and perverted. People lose trust in science when it winds up saying whatever industry has paid it to say. Academia is also seriously toxic in many places. I'm a big fan of science, but it's easy to see where the trust was lost.

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                        #15

                        @BrettCoulstock @davidho Apparently their propaganda is working. I guess it’s not surprising, considering certain industries and political movements have been trying to discredit science and scientists for many decades.

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                        • davidho@mastodon.worldD davidho@mastodon.world

                          I will say this again: Science isn’t just something that nerds do, it’s the foundation of the modern world.

                          It’s why this app exists. It’s why child mortality rate isn’t 50% anymore. It’s how we’re able to launch people to the moon. It’s how we’re able to grow food that feeds half the world’s population.

                          https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-026-01105-7

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                          #16

                          @davidho

                          Worst of all, this is a scheduled disassembly. I would like to emphasize again, and maybe everybody in the sciences already know this and have discussed at length, but the morbidly rich are a public health crisis for civilizations.

                          Check the track record straight back to antiquity. It is unblemished.

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                          • davidho@mastodon.worldD davidho@mastodon.world

                            I will say this again: Science isn’t just something that nerds do, it’s the foundation of the modern world.

                            It’s why this app exists. It’s why child mortality rate isn’t 50% anymore. It’s how we’re able to launch people to the moon. It’s how we’re able to grow food that feeds half the world’s population.

                            https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-026-01105-7

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                            @davidho the path continues, direction dystopia

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                            • davidho@mastodon.worldD davidho@mastodon.world

                              I will say this again: Science isn’t just something that nerds do, it’s the foundation of the modern world.

                              It’s why this app exists. It’s why child mortality rate isn’t 50% anymore. It’s how we’re able to launch people to the moon. It’s how we’re able to grow food that feeds half the world’s population.

                              https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-026-01105-7

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                              #18

                              @davidho

                              Yes to everything you said but I feel too change one number:

                              Science is how we’re able to grow food that feeds ALL of the world’s population.
                              Capitalism is how we can only feed half of the world's population with it.

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                              • davidho@mastodon.worldD davidho@mastodon.world

                                I will say this again: Science isn’t just something that nerds do, it’s the foundation of the modern world.

                                It’s why this app exists. It’s why child mortality rate isn’t 50% anymore. It’s how we’re able to launch people to the moon. It’s how we’re able to grow food that feeds half the world’s population.

                                https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-026-01105-7

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                                #19

                                @davidho
                                The world is flooded with the idea that "you should fund your own research, just like Musk does."

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