Are social networks unhealthy for minors?
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@ClintonAnderson Thank you, that builds nicely on where I was going. I agree it would be helpful to have more support to use any social network appropriately. @evan
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I recognize that there's harm in social network platforms. Time you spend behind a screen is time that you're not engaging with people directly in real life, or out in the world exploring, or exercising, or being in nature. People can be terrible to one another, and it can crush your feelings for days. But I also think that it's possible, if we do it right, to have the positives of self-expression, learning and connection outweigh the negatives of distraction and conflict.
I wouldn't have made it my my life's work to making interconnected social networking platforms if I didn't think they could be a net positive influence on people and on the world.
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I wouldn't have made it my my life's work to making interconnected social networking platforms if I didn't think they could be a net positive influence on people and on the world.
Anyway, thanks to everyone who responded and replied. My answer is "no, but". I don't agree with everyone, but I appreciate the conversation.
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@renata I agree 100% and this does not exclude the fediverse.
For me it is very ambivalent. I enjoy it being able to discuss with people like you or @evan - this only happens with social media (including forums or mailing lists). But at the same time there is that FOMO and the feeling that I need to perform and post smart answers. -
@evan What I meant to say is that I think the way social networks work at the moment are overall unhealthy for us. The reason I'm here is that I see this as the most likely place to improve the situation.
@malte But do you think this social platform is net unhealthy for people as it is right now?
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@evan its not so much the social networks that are the issue, but the platform and it's algorithms. Those drive the real issue.
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@resl You don't see how I conflate the two. They are separate in my mind, to the best of my own knowledge. What I do see is that the culture and norms many of us have learned on the commecial platforms, and that are perhaps even independent of them, like posing, self-obsessive thought, lots of anxious mind-reading of others and popularity contests, they exist here too. @evan
@malte @evan It was a grossly abstract question in the first place: "Are networks are unhealthy for minors?" It almost seems to intend to get people talking past each other.
I just wanted to point out the definition of
'social network' that might not come to most of us automatically but might have inspired the poll's terms. -
@resl You don't see how I conflate the two. They are separate in my mind, to the best of my own knowledge. What I do see is that the culture and norms many of us have learned on the commecial platforms, and that are perhaps even independent of them, like posing, self-obsessive thought, lots of anxious mind-reading of others and popularity contests, they exist here too. @evan
I think that to attribute social ills to social networks is like attributing pain to one's own body.
I think the question of whether social networks are unhealthy or not tricks us into thinking more generally about the issue than could possibly be useful for us in trying to actually deal with the issue (of minors' "healthiness" or what is "unhealthy" for kids).
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@malte But do you think this social platform is net unhealthy for people as it is right now?
@evan Yes, as it is right now, unfortunately still part of the larger trends that overall make us unhappy. My theory is the larger context has much bigger impact than the fediverse can reverse as it is. We are in most respects a product of the larger context.
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I think that to attribute social ills to social networks is like attributing pain to one's own body.
I think the question of whether social networks are unhealthy or not tricks us into thinking more generally about the issue than could possibly be useful for us in trying to actually deal with the issue (of minors' "healthiness" or what is "unhealthy" for kids).
@resl The analogy doesn't quite hold up when you consider that social networks in the sense that I assume it is meant in the poll (the vast social networks through the internet) are a relatively new phenomenon. I believe our community skills and abilities to attune to other people have not progressed fast enough to meet the scale of people coming into our lives these days. And that the effect overall is unhealthy. @evan
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@resl The analogy doesn't quite hold up when you consider that social networks in the sense that I assume it is meant in the poll (the vast social networks through the internet) are a relatively new phenomenon. I believe our community skills and abilities to attune to other people have not progressed fast enough to meet the scale of people coming into our lives these days. And that the effect overall is unhealthy. @evan
@malte @evan That's right - if we stick to the social media platform definition of "social networks" then surely I can see the difference. I was referring to the society/social group definition of social networks.
Using the platform definition, I still think blaming the platforms distracts us from the reason that the big platforms are the way they are. I think I understand and agree with you. I'll stop trying to turn this into a conversation I like better lol.
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@malte @evan That's right - if we stick to the social media platform definition of "social networks" then surely I can see the difference. I was referring to the society/social group definition of social networks.
Using the platform definition, I still think blaming the platforms distracts us from the reason that the big platforms are the way they are. I think I understand and agree with you. I'll stop trying to turn this into a conversation I like better lol.
@resl I think I get you now. Your working definition of "social network" in this thread is independent of online/AFK - you're thinking of networks of people that don't necessarily have any contact via internet, is that it?
