Just started migrating from #Todoist to #Superproductivity and became a sponsor of the latter so that Johannes Millan can get closer to his goal of working on this promising open-source task manager full-time.
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@malte Nextcloud? Tasks or Deck (kanban style).
@anderslund I wouldn't know - it looks like a question, but maybe you have some experience. Does it meet those criteria?
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Just started migrating from #Todoist to #Superproductivity and became a sponsor of the latter so that Johannes Millan can get closer to his goal of working on this promising open-source task manager full-time. We really need one and Superproductivity does need some improvement (the name being one of them and a more intuitive interface with less mouse clicking being another).
@malte Wanting a task manager with less mouse clicking makes sense. I'm a solo dev building Plan Universe, an iPhone app that lays a plan out as a mind map instead of a list. Not trying to replace anything, honest feedback welcome: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/plan-universe/id6804596738
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@malte Wanting a task manager with less mouse clicking makes sense. I'm a solo dev building Plan Universe, an iPhone app that lays a plan out as a mind map instead of a list. Not trying to replace anything, honest feedback welcome: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/plan-universe/id6804596738
RE: https://radikal.social/@malte/117455762714122110
@mustikk I don't have iPhone. Does it meet some or most of the criteria below?
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@anderslund I wouldn't know - it looks like a question, but maybe you have some experience. Does it meet those criteria?
FLOSS: check
Quick add: There is a textfield, just type and hit return. Same in korganizer, and possibly other apps.
Lightning fast: Dunno
#GTD: I have no idea what that is
Filters: items can be tagged, and filtered by tag
Hotkeys: Depends on client. Not in the NC web interface.
Start/due dates: yes
Collaborate: That is what nextcloud is all about, right?
LLM code? I'd think not, but I have no explicit knowledge about it. Those people are serious, so probably not?I have a tasks app from /e/os on my android phone, on laptop I use kontact. And there are other apps that can sync with calDav calendars out there.
Does support child items.
Lot of what you ask for is properties of the client, I believe. I would look for a client that can sync with calDav.
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FLOSS: check
Quick add: There is a textfield, just type and hit return. Same in korganizer, and possibly other apps.
Lightning fast: Dunno
#GTD: I have no idea what that is
Filters: items can be tagged, and filtered by tag
Hotkeys: Depends on client. Not in the NC web interface.
Start/due dates: yes
Collaborate: That is what nextcloud is all about, right?
LLM code? I'd think not, but I have no explicit knowledge about it. Those people are serious, so probably not?I have a tasks app from /e/os on my android phone, on laptop I use kontact. And there are other apps that can sync with calDav calendars out there.
Does support child items.
Lot of what you ask for is properties of the client, I believe. I would look for a client that can sync with calDav.
@anderslund Thanks! Lots of my criteria and unclear about some of them. Noted down for now.
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@anderslund Thanks! Lots of my criteria and unclear about some of them. Noted down for now.
@malte If you are interested, you can have an account at my server to test
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My gold standard for a #taskmanager I would love to use:
- Cross-platform: Linux, Windows, Android (mobile app, desktop, browser)
- #FLOSS
- Quick add to inbox
- Lightning fast
- #GTD compatible
- Filters to organize tasks after context (labels)
- Hotkeys so all actions can be done via keyboard
- Recurring tasks at specific intervals
- Start and due dates
- Collaborate on projects
- Not LLM-coded or with clear boundaries on how LLM-software is used (e.g. localisation for other languages)@maltelau and I would of course recommend looking into #orgmode (primarily used inside Emacs, but multiple other options exist)
It's text based and IMHO quite neat.
There are people using it as their tool for #gtd and there are open source apps for android.
There's probably a plugin or work done to make it work for your text editor too. (Depending on what you use).
Very interesting discussion and interested to hear more about what you figure out
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Just started migrating from #Todoist to #Superproductivity and became a sponsor of the latter so that Johannes Millan can get closer to his goal of working on this promising open-source task manager full-time. We really need one and Superproductivity does need some improvement (the name being one of them and a more intuitive interface with less mouse clicking being another).
@malte This is a really interesting discussion! Like you I've just switched to #Superproductivity (I'm migrating from #clickup) I never thought about checking the source of the code & I am worried now about all the LLM use too. I'm finding that most of the tools I'm switching too have some level of LLM involvement, code or integration or policies, #joplin is another example.
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@malte This is a really interesting discussion! Like you I've just switched to #Superproductivity (I'm migrating from #clickup) I never thought about checking the source of the code & I am worried now about all the LLM use too. I'm finding that most of the tools I'm switching too have some level of LLM involvement, code or integration or policies, #joplin is another example.
@malte I've been mulling it over a lot in the last few days, and wondering if there was a movement of devs supporting some products by reviewing & cleaning up LLM code? I think, like you asked Johannes, knowing the thinking & decision making behind the work is as important as it's features.
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M malte@radikal.social shared this topic
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@malte I've been mulling it over a lot in the last few days, and wondering if there was a movement of devs supporting some products by reviewing & cleaning up LLM code? I think, like you asked Johannes, knowing the thinking & decision making behind the work is as important as it's features.
@curiouslily Agree, having the transparency is a first minimum step for me to trust the project!
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@superproductivity Seeing all the LLM-generated code makes me doubt my decision and worry how much review the code is getting. I wonder if the main developer Johannes could speak to that doubt.
@malte everyone who works professionally in the area knows that almost everyone uses llm at this point. I understand and probably share some of your concerns, but if you don't want to use software that uses llm in its creation, you'll very soon find that there is not a lot of software left, especially since you won't find a modern OS that doesn't use llm generated code.
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@malte everyone who works professionally in the area knows that almost everyone uses llm at this point. I understand and probably share some of your concerns, but if you don't want to use software that uses llm in its creation, you'll very soon find that there is not a lot of software left, especially since you won't find a modern OS that doesn't use llm generated code.
@superproductivity I did not say that I don't want to use software that uses LLM in its creation.
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My gold standard for a #taskmanager I would love to use:
- Cross-platform: Linux, Windows, Android (mobile app, desktop, browser)
- #FLOSS
- Quick add to inbox
- Lightning fast
- #GTD compatible
- Filters to organize tasks after context (labels)
- Hotkeys so all actions can be done via keyboard
- Recurring tasks at specific intervals
- Start and due dates
- Collaborate on projects
- Not LLM-coded or with clear boundaries on how LLM-software is used (e.g. localisation for other languages)This thread has been a learning experience for me. I have decided to not use #Superproductivity. My criteria have been:
- Being made aware by others of the amount of LLM-generated code in the software
- Voicing concerns about how much review the code is getting. Then getting a response from the main developer that failed to address those concerns and instead read opinions into my concern that are not there.
- Asking a question about whether an article was LLM-generated, getting no response. -
This thread has been a learning experience for me. I have decided to not use #Superproductivity. My criteria have been:
- Being made aware by others of the amount of LLM-generated code in the software
- Voicing concerns about how much review the code is getting. Then getting a response from the main developer that failed to address those concerns and instead read opinions into my concern that are not there.
- Asking a question about whether an article was LLM-generated, getting no response.I put my own decision making process out in the open with an eye to building norms about how we choose which software projects we feel comfortable using and supporting. (And promoting as I have done is supporting). I believe we lack new norms and etiquettes surrounding the use of LLM and sharing openly our thoughts processes in these very concrete cases could be a driving force for setting new standards.
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I put my own decision making process out in the open with an eye to building norms about how we choose which software projects we feel comfortable using and supporting. (And promoting as I have done is supporting). I believe we lack new norms and etiquettes surrounding the use of LLM and sharing openly our thoughts processes in these very concrete cases could be a driving force for setting new standards.
The common denominator to my criteria is the lack of clarity around the use of LLM in the project. My main concern is actually not the use of LLM. I have a lot of concerns about it. But much more importantly is lack of transparency about the issue. I don't want to use and support projects that avoid questions like "How do you use LLM to code and if you generate code with LLMs, how do you review it?"
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@maltelau and I would of course recommend looking into #orgmode (primarily used inside Emacs, but multiple other options exist)
It's text based and IMHO quite neat.
There are people using it as their tool for #gtd and there are open source apps for android.
There's probably a plugin or work done to make it work for your text editor too. (Depending on what you use).
Very interesting discussion and interested to hear more about what you figure out
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@maltimore I'm checking out orgmode, specifically Orgzly revived for Android. I like how fast it seems and built with simplicity in mind (maybe a bit too simple, I'll see). @folfdk @maltelau
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@maltimore I'm checking out orgmode, specifically Orgzly revived for Android. I like how fast it seems and built with simplicity in mind (maybe a bit too simple, I'll see). @folfdk @maltelau
@maltimore I'm also struck by how strongly I associate this software with geek culture and my tendency to skip exploring the app (thinking it'll be way over my abilities). For one thing, the app name is almost impossible to pronounce, which makes me think it was made by people who spend more time with people through screens and text than in person. There's lots of jargon (Emacs) and generally lots of words on the webpage. Despite it, I'm curious to explore @folfdk @maltelau
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@maltimore I'm also struck by how strongly I associate this software with geek culture and my tendency to skip exploring the app (thinking it'll be way over my abilities). For one thing, the app name is almost impossible to pronounce, which makes me think it was made by people who spend more time with people through screens and text than in person. There's lots of jargon (Emacs) and generally lots of words on the webpage. Despite it, I'm curious to explore @folfdk @maltelau
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@maltimore I got Orgzly Revived up and running enough that I can see I could conceivably learn to use it. Orgmode on Emacs on my laptop seems much more imprenetable. I don't know where to start and don't understand most of the concepts on the tutorials I search up. Case in point: Getting a GTD setup up and running in ORG brought me here and I don't know what MELPA or 'use package' or an 'init file' is etc. etc: https://github.com/Trevoke/org-gtd.el @folfdk @maltelau
