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  3. Each time a new privacy-invasive feature like facial scanning is implemented, if people in majority comply and accept to use it, it will soon become normality, and other options will be marginalized or even removed entirely.

Each time a new privacy-invasive feature like facial scanning is implemented, if people in majority comply and accept to use it, it will soon become normality, and other options will be marginalized or even removed entirely.

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  • nuwagaba2@mastodon.socialN nuwagaba2@mastodon.social

    @knowprose
    Okay, unfortunately, our initiative is under a crisis where we're having no land to do our activities after being forced to evacuate the land we have rented for two years to do our activities. We're struggling to get our own land amd proceed with our activities to make our dream a reality. You can support is via a gofund.me page below with this link

    https://gofund.me/3f38fe9d0

    Would you mind having a video chat someday?

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    #52

    @nuwagaba2 that's what we call a long walk.

    Sorry, my donation budget is in the negative. Donald isn't returning my calls right now since I did not buy any Melania tickets, so he will probably deport me.

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    • G gerardthornley@hachyderm.io

      @Em0nM4stodon I agree with you on the risk, but try telling an 'ordinary' person that and they'll think of you as conspiracy nut. I'm glad to see the message is starting to get through very slowly, but I doubt it's going to stop the current wave of ID 'verification'.
      And it's not like there isn't a real risk to children in forums full of strangers. Until there's a social change with regards to that risk, I can't see there being any change of direction with regards to the other.

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      froztbyte@mastodon.social
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      #53

      @GerardThornley @Em0nM4stodon I wrote a small thread reflecting on this, and perhaps it might change your view. Please consider reading it and seeing if it moves your stance: https://mastodon.social/@froztbyte/116042744545154806

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      • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

        Each time a new privacy-invasive
        feature like facial scanning is implemented, if people in majority comply and accept to use it, it will soon become normality, and other options will be marginalized or even removed entirely.

        If each time a new privacy-invasive
        feature is implemented people opted to refuse it, it would soon be discontinued.

        Each individual opposition to privacy-invasive features matters.

        It is an act of self-protection but,
        perhaps even more importantly,
        it is also an act of protest.

        A protest against the normalization of mass surveillance and the loss of privacy rights.

        The fact that there are other cameras around doesn't mean that more cameras or additional scanning is not making things even worse.

        If we do not refuse,
        if we do not fight for our privacy rights,
        we will lose them all.

        #Privacy #MassSurveillance #AgeVerification #FacialRecognition #HumanRights #DigitalRights

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        #54

        @Em0nM4stodon
        Years ago, when websites and corporations said, "We track you to give you personalized ads..." I was like "You lost me at the tracking part."

        Never considered using biometrics, facial scanning, retina scanning or anything of the like on any device.

        These things are not supposed to know me. They're supposed to do a thing when I'm using them and stop doing things until I need to use them again.

        All data will get exploited in the Information Age.

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        • ehay2k@mastodon.socialE ehay2k@mastodon.social

          @Em0nM4stodon

          💯!!!

          I recently tried to check in for an international flight online. It asked for a picture of my passport, with a disclaimer [paraphrasing] that my passport info would be sent to a third party for processing.

          That's a hard pass for me. I'd rather wait in line at the airport then have some third party I don't know about have access to my passport info

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          #55

          @Ehay2k dystopian fkin nightmare!!!!

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          • datterich@darmstadt.socialD datterich@darmstadt.social

            @Em0nM4stodon

            > "It is an act of self-protection but,
            perhaps even more importantly,
            it is also an act of protest."

            It is also our democratic duty to protect those who can't fight for themselves, who are in a minority and as such in an inferior position to defend themselves against attacks aiming at their human rights or personal privacy.

            It's a duty of the majority to protect minorities - because, in a democracy, majorities change...

            @catsalad

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            em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange
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            #56

            @Datterich

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            • ehay2k@mastodon.socialE ehay2k@mastodon.social

              @Em0nM4stodon

              💯!!!

              I recently tried to check in for an international flight online. It asked for a picture of my passport, with a disclaimer [paraphrasing] that my passport info would be sent to a third party for processing.

              That's a hard pass for me. I'd rather wait in line at the airport then have some third party I don't know about have access to my passport info

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              #57

              @Ehay2k @Em0nM4stodon similar experience being prompted to do pre-check-in for rental car. I stopped filling it in when 3rd party site asked for lots of PII. Picked up rental fine, just showing license and credit card at counter, makes me think they are monetising data gathering…

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              • ratel@mastodon.socialR ratel@mastodon.social

                @nakdim @Em0nM4stodon I'm afraid the one and only realistic alternative is to stop looking for alternatives. In other words, instead of trying to do what they already do but in a different way and with different tools, one should first question whether their "needs" are actual needs or simply preferences they're reluctant to leave behind.

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                #58

                @ratel @nakdim @Em0nM4stodon

                Depends what the idea is. If it's 'yes more consumption/gamification/Candy Crush but Open Source/ethical!!!111' yes that can get in the bin.

                But...if it's 'people want connection online' and they are lonely, then yes, you need alternatives. Cos if they only game in town is a corporate, then people will use that as it's where all the people are. That need to socialise online won't go away.

                It was there in the 90's btw (most stuff waa actually there, forums, profile sites, very little is new)

                I'd like to say Fuck Meta - and yes Fuck Meta - and I'm better off without Facebook after they booted me off...but no, my friends are still there.

                That's the problem. People won't move cos the cost (disconnection, loneliness, FOMO, ostracism etc) is too high.

                The problem is partly emotional and social - we're a group species...people throw tech at it, like FOSS or whatever. Does not work. It may be 'better', more private etc. but the barriers are partly social not technological.

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                • knowprose@mastodon.socialK knowprose@mastodon.social

                  @nuwagaba2 that's what we call a long walk.

                  Sorry, my donation budget is in the negative. Donald isn't returning my calls right now since I did not buy any Melania tickets, so he will probably deport me.

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                  nuwagaba2@mastodon.social
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                  #59

                  @knowprose
                  Oh sorry, let me pray that everything gets well by your side. If you don't mind, consider sharing our link to your friends and anyone who would be interested in supporting

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                  • nuwagaba2@mastodon.socialN nuwagaba2@mastodon.social

                    @Datterich
                    I really like your point of protecting those who can't protect themselves. But we need to first, are those people ready and willing to be protected?

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                    #60

                    @nuwagaba2 @Datterich
                    I wonder if "they" can have the knowledge to understand the risk and consequences of harm?

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                    • radioclash@retro.pizzaR radioclash@retro.pizza

                      @ratel @nakdim @Em0nM4stodon

                      Depends what the idea is. If it's 'yes more consumption/gamification/Candy Crush but Open Source/ethical!!!111' yes that can get in the bin.

                      But...if it's 'people want connection online' and they are lonely, then yes, you need alternatives. Cos if they only game in town is a corporate, then people will use that as it's where all the people are. That need to socialise online won't go away.

                      It was there in the 90's btw (most stuff waa actually there, forums, profile sites, very little is new)

                      I'd like to say Fuck Meta - and yes Fuck Meta - and I'm better off without Facebook after they booted me off...but no, my friends are still there.

                      That's the problem. People won't move cos the cost (disconnection, loneliness, FOMO, ostracism etc) is too high.

                      The problem is partly emotional and social - we're a group species...people throw tech at it, like FOSS or whatever. Does not work. It may be 'better', more private etc. but the barriers are partly social not technological.

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                      #61

                      @ratel @nakdim @Em0nM4stodon

                      To give an analogy - people are well aware that shopping centre spaces are private...not public. You haven't got a right to be there...there's been all sorts of free speech issues. Private spaces can just bar you - like I was barred off FB. Sadly.

                      People could meet at a free park or open public space - but it might not be convenient, might be raining, might be closer, etc.

                      So people go to the mall/shopping centre - very soulless places IMO - and talk there. Is it better? No. But it's a place to meet.

                      Most social media is likewise. Unless it literally is on fire like Twitter, most people will put up with a lot of shit cos others they know are there. Massive lock in....people use WhatsApp but not Signal or Telegram. People use text which is very insecure. It's whatever is easiest...not necessarily the best.

                      And if you said 'hey I know this free park over here' and it's cold/wet/not near...your friends or family will likely leave you to it and stay in the shopping centre.

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                      • glennmg@mas.toG glennmg@mas.to

                        @nuwagaba2 @Datterich
                        I wonder if "they" can have the knowledge to understand the risk and consequences of harm?

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                        #62

                        @GlennMG .
                        We need to first help them.see the reality amd the danger awaiting them. How can their eyes be opened?

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                        • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                          Each time a new privacy-invasive
                          feature like facial scanning is implemented, if people in majority comply and accept to use it, it will soon become normality, and other options will be marginalized or even removed entirely.

                          If each time a new privacy-invasive
                          feature is implemented people opted to refuse it, it would soon be discontinued.

                          Each individual opposition to privacy-invasive features matters.

                          It is an act of self-protection but,
                          perhaps even more importantly,
                          it is also an act of protest.

                          A protest against the normalization of mass surveillance and the loss of privacy rights.

                          The fact that there are other cameras around doesn't mean that more cameras or additional scanning is not making things even worse.

                          If we do not refuse,
                          if we do not fight for our privacy rights,
                          we will lose them all.

                          #Privacy #MassSurveillance #AgeVerification #FacialRecognition #HumanRights #DigitalRights

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                          @rysiek Nie tylko w PL panuje tumiwisizm.... 😥

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