The news woman says:
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Who was this man? You might think.
Maybe there was a good reason for him being shot?I really think we need to raise the bar on what we consider a "good reason for being shot" but even by that standard. If you care (and you shouldn't) he didn't have a gun, he didn't attack the officers, he was even here legally it seems. If you care about that stuff. Which if you think about it is immaterial to shooting at someone to kill them.
The instinct to try to find a possibility that there was a good reason for a government employee to shoot a person in the back is something a lot of people need to do some work on, excise, examine, and become angry about, that the society they live in made them so craven.
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And the protests? They materialized instantly. Because I assume if you saw this if this happen outside of your house, near where you work, you too would be just as upset as all of the people they didn't show in those protests.
And I think that's why they did not show the protestors, because when I did find images of them it was just a mirror, that could be me, that could be you. Crying and asking "Why? Why? Why did you shoot this man? Why did you try to kill him?"
News is often biased but there is something surreal and disorienting when the lies are this transparent.
The truth is that ICE shot a man, possibly the wrong man, possibly they lost their temper over nothing. The local people were instantly outraged and the police responded to shut down the protest even though in theory you are allowed to hold a sign and say what you want in America.
In theory. But, this kind of protest? The order is out to nip it in the bud.
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The instinct to try to find a possibility that there was a good reason for a government employee to shoot a person in the back is something a lot of people need to do some work on, excise, examine, and become angry about, that the society they live in made them so craven.
If you can't find that reason then the whole thing falls apart. Those who want a reason to think this made any sense, that it wasn't just random violence by the state will be supplied with a reason soon enough. They are looking for one as hard as they can.
Maybe the man was arrested once, maybe he has a friend who was arrested and that's kind of like being in a gang (give it a creepy name in Spanish) maybe they will find a butter knife in the car. A WEAPON.
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And the protests? They materialized instantly. Because I assume if you saw this if this happen outside of your house, near where you work, you too would be just as upset as all of the people they didn't show in those protests.
And I think that's why they did not show the protestors, because when I did find images of them it was just a mirror, that could be me, that could be you. Crying and asking "Why? Why? Why did you shoot this man? Why did you try to kill him?"
@futurebird Or maybe just “No. You don’t get to try to kill people.” The “reason” (meaning excuse) they tried to kill him - as you point out - *doesn’t matter*. They are not allowed to do that. If law enforcement won’t enforce even the law against murder/attempted murder or worse yet engage in it themselves, yeah, people are going to come out against that with whatever degree of force it takes to disarm or impede the murderers. As they should.
A gun isn’t a pass. These murderers and murder defenders should be totally shunned, not served anywhere, not even looked in the face.
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News is often biased but there is something surreal and disorienting when the lies are this transparent.
The truth is that ICE shot a man, possibly the wrong man, possibly they lost their temper over nothing. The local people were instantly outraged and the police responded to shut down the protest even though in theory you are allowed to hold a sign and say what you want in America.
In theory. But, this kind of protest? The order is out to nip it in the bud.
They couldn't even find a clip of a teen tossing a water bottle, or someone with an unhinged sign.
The protestors must have been too beautiful to show. I think news has become especially wary of showing multi-racial protests. The vision of suburban white ladies and little elderly black people and Latinos and and everyone all upset together that their neighbor was shot doesn't tell the right story.
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If you can't find that reason then the whole thing falls apart. Those who want a reason to think this made any sense, that it wasn't just random violence by the state will be supplied with a reason soon enough. They are looking for one as hard as they can.
Maybe the man was arrested once, maybe he has a friend who was arrested and that's kind of like being in a gang (give it a creepy name in Spanish) maybe they will find a butter knife in the car. A WEAPON.
@futurebird
I can understand the desire to believe things still make sense and you don't live under the power of cruel and erratic liars. Or it's maybe only temporary and necessary, or not so bad after all, or it can be put right without tearing out half of your comfortable world view by the rotting roots.Yeah, it's easy for the police or border gestapo to get away with only a half-assed pretext or a clumsy lie. People look away. I can't blame them wanting to. But it's cowardice.
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They couldn't even find a clip of a teen tossing a water bottle, or someone with an unhinged sign.
The protestors must have been too beautiful to show. I think news has become especially wary of showing multi-racial protests. The vision of suburban white ladies and little elderly black people and Latinos and and everyone all upset together that their neighbor was shot doesn't tell the right story.
@futurebird
Multiracial, multigenerational protests are powerful. Motivating the complacent to stand in solidarity and act collectively at increasingly large scale must be a priority, especially for white citizens. -
News is often biased but there is something surreal and disorienting when the lies are this transparent.
The truth is that ICE shot a man, possibly the wrong man, possibly they lost their temper over nothing. The local people were instantly outraged and the police responded to shut down the protest even though in theory you are allowed to hold a sign and say what you want in America.
In theory. But, this kind of protest? The order is out to nip it in the bud.
@futurebird ahh you see it then, this is the essence of control, the narrative.
control is all about owning the narrative, what is happening is they’re realizing they actually don’t have anyone on their side, so control is all they have left.
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@futurebird
I can understand the desire to believe things still make sense and you don't live under the power of cruel and erratic liars. Or it's maybe only temporary and necessary, or not so bad after all, or it can be put right without tearing out half of your comfortable world view by the rotting roots.Yeah, it's easy for the police or border gestapo to get away with only a half-assed pretext or a clumsy lie. People look away. I can't blame them wanting to. But it's cowardice.
When I read 'shot in the back' I hear 'auf der Flucht erschossen'. I grew up in the Netherlands where the WWII Nazi occupation and its crimes were still living societal discourse.
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They couldn't even find a clip of a teen tossing a water bottle, or someone with an unhinged sign.
The protestors must have been too beautiful to show. I think news has become especially wary of showing multi-racial protests. The vision of suburban white ladies and little elderly black people and Latinos and and everyone all upset together that their neighbor was shot doesn't tell the right story.
The racist oligarchs who own the media want to paint a narrative of racial division. If there were cross racial solidarity against these murders, it would shoot a hole in MAGA's narrative.
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The news woman says:
"... and protests that turned violent ..."
The footage shows a crumpled car with half a dozen bullet holes in the door. The footage shows police holding batons with helmets and body armor walking backwards through the dusty Texas soil. A coordinated maneuver. But they do not show the protestors or their signs, or their voices.
But "it turned violent" we are told.
It seems to me like 'it' turned violent when ICE shot a man in the back.
@futurebird
What is wrong with law enforcement in the USA?
They just act like thugs who got a weapon and 0 training.In my country it is rare that the police take out their weapon, let alone shoot.
The last time I remember when it was not against armed criminals it was a big drunk crowd cornering 4 agents. After the warning shots they resulted to “shoot to kill”
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The news woman says:
"... and protests that turned violent ..."
The footage shows a crumpled car with half a dozen bullet holes in the door. The footage shows police holding batons with helmets and body armor walking backwards through the dusty Texas soil. A coordinated maneuver. But they do not show the protestors or their signs, or their voices.
But "it turned violent" we are told.
It seems to me like 'it' turned violent when ICE shot a man in the back.
@futurebird "... and then the violence team arrived on scene to administer violence"
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Who was this man? You might think.
Maybe there was a good reason for him being shot?I really think we need to raise the bar on what we consider a "good reason for being shot" but even by that standard. If you care (and you shouldn't) he didn't have a gun, he didn't attack the officers, he was even here legally it seems. If you care about that stuff. Which if you think about it is immaterial to shooting at someone to kill them.
@futurebird
You nailed a key point (IMO)America desperate needs a serious discussion about what justifies deadly force.
"Failure to immediately comply" should not be one of them.
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@futurebird
You nailed a key point (IMO)America desperate needs a serious discussion about what justifies deadly force.
"Failure to immediately comply" should not be one of them.
@TCatInReality @futurebird Not just IYO but anyone with an intact conscience.
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@TCatInReality @futurebird Not just IYO but anyone with an intact conscience.
@shannonpersists @TCatInReality
What is IYO?
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@shannonpersists @TCatInReality
What is IYO?
@futurebird @TCatInReality Sorry I assumed you would know it's just in your opinion.
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@TCatInReality @futurebird Not just IYO but anyone with an intact conscience.
@TCatInReality @futurebird In your opinion *
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@TCatInReality @futurebird Not just IYO but anyone with an intact conscience.
There's the rub.
There's an enormous amount of effort, money and tech being used to switch off people's conscience.
Musk has gone so far as to explicitly attack human empathy.
Until we stop/slow the hatemongers, I'm not sure how we stop the decline of society.
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There's the rub.
There's an enormous amount of effort, money and tech being used to switch off people's conscience.
Musk has gone so far as to explicitly attack human empathy.
Until we stop/slow the hatemongers, I'm not sure how we stop the decline of society.
@TCatInReality @futurebird I believe sometimes it's best to not say anything, but sometimes it's just as important to come back with a ruthless clapback. I definitely agree with you on that. Psychopathy has become mainstream and widespread.
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Who was this man? You might think.
Maybe there was a good reason for him being shot?I really think we need to raise the bar on what we consider a "good reason for being shot" but even by that standard. If you care (and you shouldn't) he didn't have a gun, he didn't attack the officers, he was even here legally it seems. If you care about that stuff. Which if you think about it is immaterial to shooting at someone to kill them.
@futurebird the fact that there is no national law on rules of engagement for cops is gonzo. "Do not fire unless fired upon" could be the basis.
The frozen water army pricks are, of course, unhindered by any ROE, because fascism. It's scary AF.
