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  3. Fellow friends from the Nordic countries: Looking for examples of anti-LGBT+ rhetoric in media and politics in Norway, Finland, Sweden, Faroe Islands, Greenland and Åland.

Fellow friends from the Nordic countries: Looking for examples of anti-LGBT+ rhetoric in media and politics in Norway, Finland, Sweden, Faroe Islands, Greenland and Åland.

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  • maiathecyberwitch@helvede.netM maiathecyberwitch@helvede.net

    @carto but haven’t heard of Annika. Will check out her “work”

    carto@mastodon.onlineC This user is from outside of this forum
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    #7

    @maiathecyberwitch Also check out Linda Hart.

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    • maiathecyberwitch@helvede.netM maiathecyberwitch@helvede.net

      Fellow friends from the Nordic countries: Looking for examples of anti-LGBT+ rhetoric in media and politics in Norway, Finland, Sweden, Faroe Islands, Greenland and Åland. I have data from Iceland and Denmark, and would like to hear if the topics raised to create hostility or stir "debate" are similar. In Denmark the narratives are centered around: 1) villifying trans women in sports and "womens spaces" 2) Moral panic about gender affirming care for minors
      #askfedi #nordic

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      #8

      @maiathecyberwitch After the CK killing a Norwegian politician went with the intial "it's the trans people!" rumours: https://www.nrk.no/norge/far-krass-kritikk-for-slettet-_transideologi_-innlegg_-__jeg-blir-helt-aerlig-sara-1.17568037

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      • worldwidewerner@mastodon.socialW worldwidewerner@mastodon.social

        @maiathecyberwitch After the CK killing a Norwegian politician went with the intial "it's the trans people!" rumours: https://www.nrk.no/norge/far-krass-kritikk-for-slettet-_transideologi_-innlegg_-__jeg-blir-helt-aerlig-sara-1.17568037

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        #9

        @maiathecyberwitch Norway's christian party har moved further right the past years with new leadership, and recently said they would like to ban pride flags at schools https://www.nrk.no/norge/krf-vil-forby-regnbueflagg-i-norske-skolegarder_-_-viktor-orban-politikk-1.17393952

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        • worldwidewerner@mastodon.socialW worldwidewerner@mastodon.social

          @maiathecyberwitch Norway's christian party har moved further right the past years with new leadership, and recently said they would like to ban pride flags at schools https://www.nrk.no/norge/krf-vil-forby-regnbueflagg-i-norske-skolegarder_-_-viktor-orban-politikk-1.17393952

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          #10

          @worldwidewerner It's like they just effing copy paste the us, it's the same here, wanting to ban LGBT books in school libraries...

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          • maiathecyberwitch@helvede.netM maiathecyberwitch@helvede.net

            Another topic that has come increasingly under fire is the pride celebration, where its attacked for being too political or too sexualised. Panic on Drag queens and kids have been imported as a topic, though it gets a lot of mainstream pusback. The topic that gets the most engagement from across the political specctrum is still villifying trans women, like when our former minister of equality attacked self ID laws to "protect women" last year (my analysis here) https://jyllands-posten.dk/debat/kronik/ECE17337761/ibipippi-har-faaet-mine-oejne-op-for-hvor-problematisk-juridisk-koensskifte-er/

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            #11

            @maiathecyberwitch It is like Wild West : Shoot first, ask later 😬
            The discussion about self id laws gets muddy when the opponents against them uses the more extreme examples and by that make it more simple for the common to 'embrace' their views 😬

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            • aj42@helvede.netA aj42@helvede.net

              @maiathecyberwitch It is like Wild West : Shoot first, ask later 😬
              The discussion about self id laws gets muddy when the opponents against them uses the more extreme examples and by that make it more simple for the common to 'embrace' their views 😬

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              #12

              @aj42 Exaclty, and especially since we all know Ibbi Pippi only changed legal genders exactly to provoke this kind of debate. He's literally the only problem we've ever had with self ID...

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              • carto@mastodon.onlineC carto@mastodon.online

                @maiathecyberwitch Also check out Linda Hart.

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                #13

                @carto thank you 🙏🏻

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                • maiathecyberwitch@helvede.netM maiathecyberwitch@helvede.net

                  @aj42 Exaclty, and especially since we all know Ibbi Pippi only changed legal genders exactly to provoke this kind of debate. He's literally the only problem we've ever had with self ID...

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                  @maiathecyberwitch or she 😕 but we then have to focus on the stories where they succeeded 🙂 🥳

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                  • maiathecyberwitch@helvede.netM maiathecyberwitch@helvede.net

                    @worldwidewerner It's like they just effing copy paste the us, it's the same here, wanting to ban LGBT books in school libraries...

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                    #15

                    @maiathecyberwitch @worldwidewerner
                    Yes. They're using the same playbook.
                    We've seen the same topics being problematised in the debate: trans women in sports and toilets, and gender affirming care for minors.
                    I think some of the loudest anti trans-people in public in Norway, have been Tonje Grevjon and her friends: https://www.nettavisen.no/norsk-debatt/det-er-seksuell-trakassering-at-kvinner-skal-matte-godta-menn-som-lesbiske/o/5-95-812754

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                    • tantegulo@snabelen.noT tantegulo@snabelen.no

                      @maiathecyberwitch @worldwidewerner
                      Yes. They're using the same playbook.
                      We've seen the same topics being problematised in the debate: trans women in sports and toilets, and gender affirming care for minors.
                      I think some of the loudest anti trans-people in public in Norway, have been Tonje Grevjon and her friends: https://www.nettavisen.no/norsk-debatt/det-er-seksuell-trakassering-at-kvinner-skal-matte-godta-menn-som-lesbiske/o/5-95-812754

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                      @maiathecyberwitch @worldwidewerner
                      Luckily we also have Esben Esther Pirelli Benestad, a non-binary doctor and scientist. Sadly they lost their license to practice because they treated trans people in their private clinic (because the public health care system isn't up to scratch (this is an understatement!)).
                      https://www.nrk.no/sorlandet/esben-esther-benestad-mister-legelisensen--foreldre-frykter-for-barna-sine-1.16281309

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                      • tantegulo@snabelen.noT tantegulo@snabelen.no

                        @maiathecyberwitch @worldwidewerner
                        Luckily we also have Esben Esther Pirelli Benestad, a non-binary doctor and scientist. Sadly they lost their license to practice because they treated trans people in their private clinic (because the public health care system isn't up to scratch (this is an understatement!)).
                        https://www.nrk.no/sorlandet/esben-esther-benestad-mister-legelisensen--foreldre-frykter-for-barna-sine-1.16281309

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                        @TanteGulo @worldwidewerner Oh damn that happened to a doctor in Denmarn a while back too, got their license revoked cause they perscribed hromons to trans patients..

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                        • tantegulo@snabelen.noT tantegulo@snabelen.no

                          @maiathecyberwitch @worldwidewerner
                          Yes. They're using the same playbook.
                          We've seen the same topics being problematised in the debate: trans women in sports and toilets, and gender affirming care for minors.
                          I think some of the loudest anti trans-people in public in Norway, have been Tonje Grevjon and her friends: https://www.nettavisen.no/norsk-debatt/det-er-seksuell-trakassering-at-kvinner-skal-matte-godta-menn-som-lesbiske/o/5-95-812754

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                          #18

                          @TanteGulo FFS... We've had that exaxt same debate, "Its sexual assault if trans women are lesbians", a local terf even wrote a whole ass book about it. https://www.gucca.dk/kvinder-med-penis-og-gravide-maend-bog-p506640?pla=1&gad_campaignid=15058908474

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                          • maiathecyberwitch@helvede.netM maiathecyberwitch@helvede.net

                            @TanteGulo FFS... We've had that exaxt same debate, "Its sexual assault if trans women are lesbians", a local terf even wrote a whole ass book about it. https://www.gucca.dk/kvinder-med-penis-og-gravide-maend-bog-p506640?pla=1&gad_campaignid=15058908474

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                            @maiathecyberwitch I guess they all know each other.

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                            • tantegulo@snabelen.noT tantegulo@snabelen.no

                              @maiathecyberwitch I guess they all know each other.

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                              @TanteGulo yes this woman actually mentioned they had a Nordic Facebook group

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