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How much slop is in Linux now?

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  • spitfire@mastodon.deS spitfire@mastodon.de

    @davidgerard

    I am really baffled by the speed of how fast this project goes down the shitter 😥

    /e: yet there's still a glimmer of hope that torvalds is going to get over his "it's just a tool" phase. I heard him already complaining about the volume of bogus pull requests etc.

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    #14

    @spitfire @davidgerard It's not often that I'm rooting for the AI bros, but if they could submit even more bogus PRs, that would be very nice of them in this particular instance

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    • landelare@mastodon.gamedev.placeL landelare@mastodon.gamedev.place

      @spitfire @davidgerard It's not often that I'm rooting for the AI bros, but if they could submit even more bogus PRs, that would be very nice of them in this particular instance

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      #15

      @landelare the tried and tested "flood the zone with shit" gambit, yes? 😉

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      • spitfire@mastodon.deS spitfire@mastodon.de

        @landelare the tried and tested "flood the zone with shit" gambit, yes? 😉

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        #16

        @spitfire I'm not very well-versed in these techniques, but I'll happily watch the wrestling match

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        • yora@mastodon.gamedev.placeY yora@mastodon.gamedev.place

          @landelare @spitfire @McCovican Sure. If we make all the Linux software run on it I'd be happy to use it.

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          #17

          @yora @landelare @spitfire @McCovican

          Redox OS @redox_os@icosahedron.websit (strong anti AI policy) already runs a ton, including a graphical desktop!

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          • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

            How much slop is in Linux now? Ehh we decided not to tell you

            https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20261009083137.3-1-sashal@kernel.org/

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            #18

            @davidgerard@circumstances.run Sorry, I can’t read it, I have thrown all of my computers into the sea and never wish to touch one again.

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            • kbm0@mastodon.socialK kbm0@mastodon.social

              @davidgerard That will make it tricky once all LLM assisted content is ruled as copyright infringement and needs to be stripped out.

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              #19

              @kbm0 @davidgerard i wonder if that's part of the reason for this change

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              • mccovican@infosec.exchangeM mccovican@infosec.exchange

                @spitfire @davidgerard

                I'm afraid that glimmer is looking more and more like a mirage...

                https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/CAHk-=whTs09_ozN+e09GU68N1wPP56MUzDjrg9rnKxQUa0A_4Q@mail.gmail.com/

                His ignorance is, at this point, wholly wilful.

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                #20

                @McCovican @spitfire @davidgerard unfortunately, the trend more and more agentic AI contributions to the kernel and less and less humans vetted to make those AI contributions. Linux will stop being a community project, and it will be more like a few key maintainers and companies managing AI agents to mutate the code, "open source" only in the sense that, I guess, you can look at the code with your eyeballs if you want

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                • paul@fedi.paulwilde.ukP paul@fedi.paulwilde.uk

                  @davidgerard@circumstances.run Sorry, I can’t read it, I have thrown all of my computers into the sea and never wish to touch one again.

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                  #21

                  @paul a wise choice

                  good thing masto works on an abacus now

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                  • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                    @paul a wise choice

                    good thing masto works on an abacus now

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                    #22
                    @davidgerard @paul
                    "good thing masto works on an abacus now"
                    i thought that was supposed to be SNAC and GoToSocial's big feature.
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                    • tmw@ioc.exchangeT tmw@ioc.exchange

                      @kbm0 @davidgerard i wonder if that's part of the reason for this change

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                      #23

                      @tmw @kbm0 @davidgerard Yeah, I don't know for sure, but considering Linux is basically a corporate project, this change will also provide welcome ambiguity for lawyers that either want to enforce copyright claim on the kernel or deny copyright infringement. The ambiguity will also be useful for lobbyists when arguing for favorable changes to laws, "It's already deeply embedded, and there's no way to tell what was written by what!"

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                      • mccovican@infosec.exchangeM mccovican@infosec.exchange

                        @spitfire @davidgerard

                        I'm afraid that glimmer is looking more and more like a mirage...

                        https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/CAHk-=whTs09_ozN+e09GU68N1wPP56MUzDjrg9rnKxQUa0A_4Q@mail.gmail.com/

                        His ignorance is, at this point, wholly wilful.

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                        #24

                        @McCovican @spitfire @davidgerard

                        Wait is he arguing that deterministic and non-deterministic are the same thing?

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                        • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                          How much slop is in Linux now? Ehh we decided not to tell you

                          https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20261009083137.3-1-sashal@kernel.org/

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                          #25
                          @davidgerard wow that’s pathetic
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                          • spitfire@mastodon.deS spitfire@mastodon.de

                            @davidgerard

                            I am really baffled by the speed of how fast this project goes down the shitter 😥

                            /e: yet there's still a glimmer of hope that torvalds is going to get over his "it's just a tool" phase. I heard him already complaining about the volume of bogus pull requests etc.

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                            #26

                            @spitfire @davidgerard I’m afraid this will not end in Torvalds getting over whatever this is but us realizing he’s a full blown neonazi or something.

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                            • zedaardv@mastodon.worldZ zedaardv@mastodon.world

                              @McCovican @spitfire @davidgerard

                              Wait is he arguing that deterministic and non-deterministic are the same thing?

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                              #27

                              @zedaardv yep - that's what he's doing. The mind boggles!

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                              • spitfire@mastodon.deS spitfire@mastodon.de

                                @zedaardv yep - that's what he's doing. The mind boggles!

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                                #28

                                @spitfire
                                Damn! what a muppet.

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                                • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                                  How much slop is in Linux now? Ehh we decided not to tell you

                                  https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20261009083137.3-1-sashal@kernel.org/

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                                  #29

                                  @davidgerard if not for explicites audit reason, there is no need to have it. Who commit is the owner and responsible.

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                                  • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                                    How much slop is in Linux now? Ehh we decided not to tell you

                                    https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20261009083137.3-1-sashal@kernel.org/

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                                    #30

                                    @davidgerard I have always perceived these footnotes and tags as free advertisement for multi billion dollar corporations that already make the news every other day with new bullshit hacks and mishaps because plastering the company name across everything there is is the only thing that matters, they want to be everywhere all the time. Therefore I'm happy with less ad spam, in particular due to the unenforcable, voluntary nature of these tags, a generic "assisted by: LLM" would be kinda useless.

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                                    • opmodoro@mastodon.unoO opmodoro@mastodon.uno

                                      @davidgerard if not for explicites audit reason, there is no need to have it. Who commit is the owner and responsible.

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                                      #31

                                      @Opmodoro 0 follower spam sockpuppet

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                                      • cynaq@beige.partyC cynaq@beige.party

                                        @spitfire @davidgerard I’m afraid this will not end in Torvalds getting over whatever this is but us realizing he’s a full blown neonazi or something.

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                                        #32

                                        @CynAq @spitfire @davidgerard I also don't think he gets over it. He just seems so ultra utility-focused and small scoped. Who cares it's drowning the reviewers, or leading to widespread problems mental wise. To him it feels faster right now, and probably does in the future when he vibe codes some other random bullshit. Review burden, understanding of systems and code? Who needs it, go pay Anthropic to save them one more day until they burn, bitches.

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                                        • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                                          How much slop is in Linux now? Ehh we decided not to tell you

                                          https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20261009083137.3-1-sashal@kernel.org/

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                                          #33

                                          @davidgerard Final straw for me. I am, as Emperor Penguin suggested, "forking off"...to #NetBSD

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