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  • jenniferplusplus@hachyderm.ioJ jenniferplusplus@hachyderm.io

    @inthehands Oh come on. They're describing labor.

    Like, I know the whole premise is that AI turns capital into more capital without passing go and paying labor. And if that fails, it at least makes all labor rent the ability to do labor from capital. And if THAT fails, it at least shapes and filters all human communication.

    But still. They're describing labor. The value factory is labor.

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    @jenniferplusplus

    But but Jennifer, see, if you stuff all the labor inside a goose, and then you own the goose, then you can own all the labor, so now you are Gooselord of the Golden Eggs! Why wouldn't you want that?!

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    • dtauvdiodr@c.imD dtauvdiodr@c.im

      @inthehands Have you ever read an Edward Tufte takedown of PowerPoint? It's marvelous.

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      @dtauvdiodr @inthehands He didn't even anticipate AI generated PowerPoint like this nonsense. Wow.

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      • inthehands@hachyderm.ioI inthehands@hachyderm.io

        @jenniferplusplus

        But but Jennifer, see, if you stuff all the labor inside a goose, and then you own the goose, then you can own all the labor, so now you are Gooselord of the Golden Eggs! Why wouldn't you want that?!

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        @inthehands how are we being ruled by these people

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        • jenniferplusplus@hachyderm.ioJ jenniferplusplus@hachyderm.io

          @inthehands how are we being ruled by these people

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          #21

          @jenniferplusplus it's because the built the brain computer, it's in the slides

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          • inthehands@hachyderm.ioI inthehands@hachyderm.io

            @jenniferplusplus

            But but Jennifer, see, if you stuff all the labor inside a goose, and then you own the goose, then you can own all the labor, so now you are Gooselord of the Golden Eggs! Why wouldn't you want that?!

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            @inthehands @jenniferplusplus

            Pray don't forget that the goose potentially contains infinite quantities of both labour and resources and can therefore scale infinitely over time.

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            • inthehands@hachyderm.ioI inthehands@hachyderm.io

              @Poljack

              Not dissimilar! Although in the DNC case I suspect that was the result of the powers that be •prohibiting• substantive analysis, whereas with the MN Orch it was the result of those powers not even knowing what a proper analysis would look like.

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              @inthehands @Poljack With the DNC, I strongly suspect both tbh.

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              • inthehands@hachyderm.ioI inthehands@hachyderm.io

                @jenniferplusplus it's because the built the brain computer, it's in the slides

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                @jenniferplusplus
                excuse me, because they brought the brain computer •to life•

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                • inthehands@hachyderm.ioI inthehands@hachyderm.io

                  RE: https://discuss.systems/@dev/116807460725864716

                  The whole presentation is worth the click-through:

                  1. Honestly, the metaphorically mangled goose slides in the post make more sense than a lot of the rest of the presentation — which is •really• saying something.

                  2. That deck is a magnificent example of why I don't like sharing slides as a means of sharing the content of a talk.

                  3. If we •do• attempt to infer the content from the presentation's sloptastic slides alone, it’s a remarkable window into the investor thinking that’s driving the AI bubble: “Exponential money is hiding just around the corner! Get in on the ground floor! Buy now! Buy now and rocket to infinity and beyond!!”

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                  #25

                  @inthehands I can't get over how they're weirdly paraphrasing the labor theory of value, but not only do they avoid talking about actual human labor with the metaphor of the goose, they go on to say that the value is produced by *machinery* inside the goose.

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                  • inthehands@hachyderm.ioI inthehands@hachyderm.io

                    Re this post:

                    Back in 2012, the Minnesota Orchestra musicians went on strike over a semi-secretive plan from the board to remake the orchestra (one of the best in the world) by slashing player salaries, gutting creative direction, and turning them into a sort of pop-lite-classical easy listening machine of some kind — details very fuzzy, rationale even fuzzier.

                    During the dispute, a slide deck of their shadowy plan leaked. It was somewhat garbled and confusing, and missing all the key details and analysis that everyone was dying for. “What are you hiding??” the public cried, “Show us the full plan!!” “What are you talking about? We did!” “No, not just the presentation! The actual plan!”

                    A confused period followed during which it became clear that the slide deck •was• the full plan.

                    This little gaggle of the Brightest Minds of Business moonlighting on a nonprofit board thought that gutting a local institution required so little thought that when people saw the full analysis, they assumed the board must be hiding something.

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                    #26

                    @inthehands

                    It's like Apocalypse Now:

                    "Do you find my methods unsound?"

                    "I don't see any method at all, sir..."

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                    • inthehands@hachyderm.ioI inthehands@hachyderm.io

                      @jenniferplusplus
                      excuse me, because they brought the brain computer •to life•

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                      @inthehands @jenniferplusplus

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                      • theogrin@chaosfem.twT theogrin@chaosfem.tw

                        @inthehands @jenniferplusplus

                        Pray don't forget that the goose potentially contains infinite quantities of both labour and resources and can therefore scale infinitely over time.

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                        @theogrin @inthehands @jenniferplusplus Let's not forget that each of those golden eggs can spawn a goose laying more eggs 🤯

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                          @thegarbagebird

                          All this time, the ??? was a goose but only Softbank knew

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                          • inthehands@hachyderm.ioI inthehands@hachyderm.io

                            @Cheeseness

                            In every goose, there is a factory!

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                            @inthehands @Cheeseness It does explain a lot about the mess we're actually in. Unfortunately we chose an economic system, where such thinking sets the goals. Capitalism. It doesn't fit reality. And throws people and nature under the bus.

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