⚠️ Important headsup if you are on the server mastodon.cloud:
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️ Important headsup if you are on the server mastodon.cloud:Mastodon.cloud no longer seems to be moderated. Its admin account hasn't posted since Feb 2023, its code of conduct is blank and there are vile racists posting from there. The racists have been reported many times but their accounts are still active.
Because of this, other server admins are starting to block mastodon.cloud completely.
If you're on mastodon.cloud you might want to move to another server ASAP: https://fedi.tips/transferring-your-mastodon-account-to-another-server
@FediTips Collective punishment is unethical. Rule violations are best handled individually, not through broad blocks by association. Mastodon.cloud, despite lighter moderation, has remained open and interoperable for years—unlike other instances that block hundreds of millions of accounts hosted on popular services and eventually shut down.
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@FediTips Collective punishment is unethical. Rule violations are best handled individually, not through broad blocks by association. Mastodon.cloud, despite lighter moderation, has remained open and interoperable for years—unlike other instances that block hundreds of millions of accounts hosted on popular services and eventually shut down.
@quattrocchi @FediTips It’s not «unethical», it is the best technical response to an unmanaged cesspool. Blocking individually is pointless against a server where nazis can just make a new account and keep posting.
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@quattrocchi @FediTips It’s not «unethical», it is the best technical response to an unmanaged cesspool. Blocking individually is pointless against a server where nazis can just make a new account and keep posting.
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@quattrocchi @FediTips No, they are still there. Freedom of speech is not an entitlement to an audience, other servers see the unmanaged server as a problem and defederates from it, reducing its reach. Their house, their rules.
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@quattrocchi @FediTips No, they are still there. Freedom of speech is not an entitlement to an audience, other servers see the unmanaged server as a problem and defederates from it, reducing its reach. Their house, their rules.
@toriver @FediTips Musk and his allies used that argument to rationalize the abuse of his employees and users. I disagree that anyone has the right to abuse other humans even in their house. Social disenfranchisement—cutting people off from public services—is abuse. Most on this platform did nothing wrong. A few bad interactions can’t justify punishing everyone.
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p.s. If you want to see an example of vile racism hosted on mastodon.cloud, here is one:
Note the date, the account is still active and is still posting this kind of racial hatred despite being reported.
EDIT: This post now seems to have been deleted seemingly by the account itself. The racist account itself just posted a follow-up trying to "explain" their statement with more extreme racism 🤮 https://mastodon.cloud/@CensorsAreCultists/115027872775410534
@FediTips the best thing to do with those kind of account is to ignore them and not give them the attention. If you share this for everyone to see you are giving them the attention they want. But yeah unmoderated instance can be pretty bad.
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️ Important headsup if you are on the server mastodon.cloud:
Mastodon.cloud no longer seems to be moderated. Its admin account hasn't posted since Feb 2023, its code of conduct is blank and there are vile racists posting from there. The racists have been reported many times but their accounts are still active.
Because of this, other server admins are starting to block mastodon.cloud completely.
If you're on mastodon.cloud you might want to move to another server ASAP: https://fedi.tips/transferring-your-mastodon-account-to-another-server
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@toriver @FediTips Musk and his allies used that argument to rationalize the abuse of his employees and users. I disagree that anyone has the right to abuse other humans even in their house. Social disenfranchisement—cutting people off from public services—is abuse. Most on this platform did nothing wrong. A few bad interactions can’t justify punishing everyone.
@quattrocchi @FediTips A given Mastodon instance is a PRIVATE service, not a public one. Again, if they want to sit in their more and more isolated instance then that is fine, after all both Gab and Truth Social use Mastodon without federating with anyone. The rest of the Mastodon servers are not obliged to federate with them either. It’s not «abuse» in any form.
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@FediTips Collective punishment is unethical. Rule violations are best handled individually, not through broad blocks by association. Mastodon.cloud, despite lighter moderation, has remained open and interoperable for years—unlike other instances that block hundreds of millions of accounts hosted on popular services and eventually shut down.
It's not collective punishment, don't be ridiculous. It's an individual's right and responsibility to choose an instance, and move instances if they don't like how it behaves.
You're infantilising Fedi members by claiming they have no agency or ability or alternatives.
Also, mastodon.cloud isn't even updating its own software any more, it's several updates behind the latest supported versions. This is not good for its members, it means security holes may not be fixed.
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If you want help with moving please feel free to ask! (I've tried to make the guide as easy as possible, and answer common questions, but guides aren't as useful as direct answers.)
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Can you please stop using such ludicrous hyperbolic terms for what is just a server block on a federated network where people can move to different servers?
"executing a totalitarian cleansing"? Can you hear yourself? Are you serious or are you a troll?
Real life actual totalitarianism rises when lies about vulnerable groups are allowed to spread widely. Vulnerable groups get attacked and murdered in real life because of such lies: https://social.chinwag.org/@FediThing/112581263140051643
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It's not collective punishment, don't be ridiculous. It's an individual's right and responsibility to choose an instance, and move instances if they don't like how it behaves.
You're infantilising Fedi members by claiming they have no agency or ability or alternatives.
Also, mastodon.cloud isn't even updating its own software any more, it's several updates behind the latest supported versions. This is not good for its members, it means security holes may not be fixed.
@FediTips It has become routine for viral posts to rally a mob into blocking entire instances—thousands of accounts—over a few bad interactions. While this may feel empowering for in-groups or those with large followings, it fosters a toxic environment. In this case, a dependable, useful, and constructive instance is being demonized and ostracized.
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@quattrocchi @FediTips A given Mastodon instance is a PRIVATE service, not a public one. Again, if they want to sit in their more and more isolated instance then that is fine, after all both Gab and Truth Social use Mastodon without federating with anyone. The rest of the Mastodon servers are not obliged to federate with them either. It’s not «abuse» in any form.
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p.p.s. A lot of legitimate non-problematic accounts joined mastodon.cloud when it was still moderated. I'm guessing most of the ones still on there are there because they don't realise what has happened.
If you know someone still on mastodon.cloud, you might want to politely let them know what the situation is and suggest they move. I'm sure most will be horrified about what's happening and keen to move to a different server. If they need help moving, the guide is at https://fedi.tips/transferring-your-mastodon-account-to-another-server
Is there a way to search (easily
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@FediTips It has become routine for viral posts to rally a mob into blocking entire instances—thousands of accounts—over a few bad interactions. While this may feel empowering for in-groups or those with large followings, it fosters a toxic environment. In this case, a dependable, useful, and constructive instance is being demonized and ostracized.
It's not a dependable instance. Its software isn't up to date, there may be bugs that put its users in danger.
The admin hasn't posted in 2.5 years, that is not a sign of dependability.
Quite often instances where the admin stops communicating for years may vanish without warning.
"Brigading isn't punishing a negligent admin "
It's not about punishing anyone, it's warning people that they are on an abandoned instance. Would you rather they weren't warned?
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No one is stopping anyone using mastodon.cloud.
All that is being suggested is people might want to move off it because it seems to be no longer maintained or moderated.
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Is there a way to search (easily
) my follows and followers for their respective instances?Not as far as I know, sorry.
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@FediTips the best thing to do with those kind of account is to ignore them and not give them the attention. If you share this for everyone to see you are giving them the attention they want. But yeah unmoderated instance can be pretty bad.
If you let people spread lies about vulnerable minorities, it leads to real world discrimination, violence and murder.
How does someone ignore it when people are physically attacking them in the street?
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p.p.s. A lot of legitimate non-problematic accounts joined mastodon.cloud when it was still moderated. I'm guessing most of the ones still on there are there because they don't realise what has happened.
If you know someone still on mastodon.cloud, you might want to politely let them know what the situation is and suggest they move. I'm sure most will be horrified about what's happening and keen to move to a different server. If they need help moving, the guide is at https://fedi.tips/transferring-your-mastodon-account-to-another-server
@FediTips thanks for this post and associated tips. Have thought about moving server before but this post pushed me to act. Thank you.
