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  • kayla@gts.eilhart.czK kayla@gts.eilhart.cz

    @mossman Skip LaTex and try Typst (believe me, my journey started with czechoslovakian Text602 in the early nineties, my quest for document editing took me through a lot 😅 )

    @aesthr

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    @kayla I tried typst for scientific writing and it's just not there yet. My LaTeX boilerplate isn't complex at all but it felt like a monumental task to replicate the output of that in typst

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    • aesthr@wandering.shopA aesthr@wandering.shop

      This might be the funniest MS Office thing I have encountered yet:

      Excel has global undo/redo, so if you work on multiple files and hit undo a few times. it may change things in a different file. Good luck reconstructing that, if you don't immediately notice.

      An absurd design decision imo

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      @aesthr What the actual f???

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      • aesthr@wandering.shopA aesthr@wandering.shop

        This might be the funniest MS Office thing I have encountered yet:

        Excel has global undo/redo, so if you work on multiple files and hit undo a few times. it may change things in a different file. Good luck reconstructing that, if you don't immediately notice.

        An absurd design decision imo

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        #25

        @aesthr casual reminder, ms office is not a thing anymore. they've killed the brand. it's now "microsoft copilot" or some bullshit like that.

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        • aesthr@wandering.shopA aesthr@wandering.shop

          This might be the funniest MS Office thing I have encountered yet:

          Excel has global undo/redo, so if you work on multiple files and hit undo a few times. it may change things in a different file. Good luck reconstructing that, if you don't immediately notice.

          An absurd design decision imo

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          #26

          @aesthr WHAT?!

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          • canageek@wandering.shopC canageek@wandering.shop

            @MatthewPCooke @aesthr Excel is still plagued by the fact it was that stupid MDI interface when it started. It will make the illusion of multiple windows if you open multiple documents, but if you move one of those windows, all the others will move to the same location, so if you want two spreadsheets side by side you have to manually open two copies of Excel.

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            @Canageek @MatthewPCooke @aesthr All Office programs were MDI, but Excel was always special (the global Undo thing didn't apply to any other program, nor did a bunch of other things that Excel still does weirdly, especially when working with multiple documents).

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            • aesthr@wandering.shopA aesthr@wandering.shop

              This might be the funniest MS Office thing I have encountered yet:

              Excel has global undo/redo, so if you work on multiple files and hit undo a few times. it may change things in a different file. Good luck reconstructing that, if you don't immediately notice.

              An absurd design decision imo

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              #28
              @aesthr that one has absolutely gotten me before. There's also a lot of weird things to know about selecting text or cells when alt+tabbing between excel instances. Sometimes you can alt+tab to another file, click on the cell you want to edit, and it will start typing in the file you just left. Excel has weird little problems none of the other office programs have, it's baffling.
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              • aesthr@wandering.shopA aesthr@wandering.shop

                This might be the funniest MS Office thing I have encountered yet:

                Excel has global undo/redo, so if you work on multiple files and hit undo a few times. it may change things in a different file. Good luck reconstructing that, if you don't immediately notice.

                An absurd design decision imo

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                #29

                @aesthr 🤯

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                • aesthr@wandering.shopA aesthr@wandering.shop

                  This might be the funniest MS Office thing I have encountered yet:

                  Excel has global undo/redo, so if you work on multiple files and hit undo a few times. it may change things in a different file. Good luck reconstructing that, if you don't immediately notice.

                  An absurd design decision imo

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                  @aesthr yes this is a mad thing. I nearly fell for it just yesterday!

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                  • jernej__s@infosec.exchangeJ jernej__s@infosec.exchange

                    @Canageek @MatthewPCooke @aesthr All Office programs were MDI, but Excel was always special (the global Undo thing didn't apply to any other program, nor did a bunch of other things that Excel still does weirdly, especially when working with multiple documents).

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                    @jernej__s @MatthewPCooke @aesthr Good point, I have no idea why they have not undone this ridiculous choice in the meantime.

                    I know Raymond Chen has been annoyed by it breaking the various Windows user interface guidelines

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                    • aesthr@wandering.shopA aesthr@wandering.shop

                      This might be the funniest MS Office thing I have encountered yet:

                      Excel has global undo/redo, so if you work on multiple files and hit undo a few times. it may change things in a different file. Good luck reconstructing that, if you don't immediately notice.

                      An absurd design decision imo

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                      #32

                      @aesthr LibreOffice.

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                      • aesthr@wandering.shopA aesthr@wandering.shop

                        This might be the funniest MS Office thing I have encountered yet:

                        Excel has global undo/redo, so if you work on multiple files and hit undo a few times. it may change things in a different file. Good luck reconstructing that, if you don't immediately notice.

                        An absurd design decision imo

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                        #33

                        @aesthr Yup, drives me crazy. 😑

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                        • canageek@wandering.shopC canageek@wandering.shop

                          @jernej__s @MatthewPCooke @aesthr Good point, I have no idea why they have not undone this ridiculous choice in the meantime.

                          I know Raymond Chen has been annoyed by it breaking the various Windows user interface guidelines

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                          @Canageek @MatthewPCooke @aesthr It does looks like it was fixed at some point – I can't reproduce this with 365 any more.

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                          • aesthr@wandering.shopA aesthr@wandering.shop

                            @kayla I tried typst for scientific writing and it's just not there yet. My LaTeX boilerplate isn't complex at all but it felt like a monumental task to replicate the output of that in typst

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                            @aesthr @kayla my LaTeX days are long gone, unfortunately. Once I left uni in the early 2000s I went straight into writing certification documents and research reports for a very large manufacturer - which all had to be in Word, of course.

                            That client has since switched to Google, while my own company is soldiering on with all things Microsoft. Blecchh.

                            Needless to say I make all my own notes in text files with Notepad++...

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                            • jernej__s@infosec.exchangeJ jernej__s@infosec.exchange

                              @Canageek @MatthewPCooke @aesthr It does looks like it was fixed at some point – I can't reproduce this with 365 any more.

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                              @jernej__s @MatthewPCooke @aesthr incorrect, I just verified it on the version we use at work. you have to open one instance of excel, and then open a second document either by using open or by clicking the new document button.

                              If you open Excel twice then you don't have this problem.

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                              • c_merriweather@social.linux.pizzaC c_merriweather@social.linux.pizza

                                @aesthr LibreOffice.

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                                @c_merriweather why is there always someone who thinks this basic-ass "advice" is warranted or even applicable? Do you seriously think nobody has heard of libreoffice before?

                                I know. I use it every day at home. But my workplace won't switch to it anytime soon so your comment is utterly useless noise

                                I hope you feel really good about being that annoying type of nerd

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                                  @donhawkins @ai6yr of course, someone with a Tux avatar would do this annoyingly arrogant bullshit

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                                  • florisbiskamp@mastodon.socialF florisbiskamp@mastodon.social

                                    @aesthr Yeah, copying/cutting/pasting between files is also weirdly
                                    delicate.

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                                    @florisbiskamp @aesthr
                                    Absolute villain about whether pasting will/ will not be formatted or if it is still willing to use what was copied

                                    The lengths Microsoft has gone to avoid doing the simplest thing, a shortcut key for paste without formatting that is consistent, is antagonistic

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                                    • aesthr@wandering.shopA aesthr@wandering.shop

                                      This might be the funniest MS Office thing I have encountered yet:

                                      Excel has global undo/redo, so if you work on multiple files and hit undo a few times. it may change things in a different file. Good luck reconstructing that, if you don't immediately notice.

                                      An absurd design decision imo

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                                      @aesthr effects of not checking ai generated code . I have this theory - i have observed this multiple times - AI cannot understand objects and its state.
                                      Thereby commits such errors.

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                                      • D debdip_kv@mastodon.social

                                        @aesthr effects of not checking ai generated code . I have this theory - i have observed this multiple times - AI cannot understand objects and its state.
                                        Thereby commits such errors.

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                                        @Debdip_KV nope, this behavior has been in excel for way longer than that

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                                        • florisbiskamp@mastodon.socialF florisbiskamp@mastodon.social

                                          @aesthr Yeah, copying/cutting/pasting between files is also weirdly
                                          delicate.

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                                          @florisbiskamp @aesthr Global undo is the worst!

                                          And then yeah, I have a worksheet that gives a bunch of viewpoints on some specific data. Added a new sheet for a new viewpoint, copied it to another worksheet (different raw data, same design), and they added named variables pointing at the first worksheet, shadowing over the ones that existed already. I knew I had to copy/paste over the values in the formula since those got changed, but took me a minute to figure out I had to delete the names that had been added to the name manager too.

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