a lot of the tankie anti-colonialist guys are just racists.
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@peter
if you see that as the racist part, then i non-tankieously disagree, and i'd suggest this piece by mohammed el-kurd as a counter argument as to why,
https://mondoweiss.net/2023/09/jewish-settlers-stole-my-house-its-not-my-fault-theyre-jewish/»Palestinians are told the words we use dwarf the decades of violence enacted against us by the self-proclaimed Jewish State. A drone is one thing, but a trope—a trope is unacceptable.«
@pelle sorry, i want to get this straight, you think it's totally fine to go up to a random Jewish person in New York City or Paris and yell "free Palestine" because they are wearing a kippah?
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@pelle sorry, i want to get this straight, you think it's totally fine to go up to a random Jewish person in New York City or Paris and yell "free Palestine" because they are wearing a kippah?
@peter
if you are genuinely against the zionist occupation and genocide, how can you even hear »free palestine« as an insult?an anti-racist response could be to yell »free palestine« in return — not to go to social media with: »i'm not racist, but ...«
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@peter
if you are genuinely against the zionist occupation and genocide, how can you even hear »free palestine« as an insult?an anti-racist response could be to yell »free palestine« in return — not to go to social media with: »i'm not racist, but ...«
@pelle do you not understand the distinction between yelling "free Palestine" and yelling "free Palestine" specifically at a random Jewish person in the street?
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@pelle yelling "free Palestine" at someone because they are Jewish is anti-Semitic, and refusing to understand that is the racist part.
@peter@thepit.social @pelle@veganism.social Israel needs as many people as possible to perfectly equate Jew with Israeli. Israel wants everyone to see any expression of Judaism as implicitly an endorsement and reminder of Israel. Israel wants people to yell things at Jews; it requires Jews to always be unsafe outside of Israel - that’s it’s prime excuse for existing. Israel would have it so every Jew needs to exhaustively, persistently, impossibly perform for a gentile audience unlimited expressions of revulsion toward it’s genocidal occupation via rejection of every marker it takes care to drape itself in, in order to be parsed as anything but complicit. Israel needs ownership of Judaism like a corporation needs ownership of the intellectual property of a known brand.
We should not be carrying out Israel’s ultimately antisemetic agenda which is provided to it by the white christian fascist US and European powers that give it license by following along on any level with this propaganda and all it entails, including harassing innocent Jews with our presumptions about what being Jewish, not Israeli, but Jewish, entails.
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@pelle do you not understand the distinction between yelling "free Palestine" and yelling "free Palestine" specifically at a random Jewish person in the street?
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@peter@thepit.social @pelle@veganism.social Israel needs as many people as possible to perfectly equate Jew with Israeli. Israel wants everyone to see any expression of Judaism as implicitly an endorsement and reminder of Israel. Israel wants people to yell things at Jews; it requires Jews to always be unsafe outside of Israel - that’s it’s prime excuse for existing. Israel would have it so every Jew needs to exhaustively, persistently, impossibly perform for a gentile audience unlimited expressions of revulsion toward it’s genocidal occupation via rejection of every marker it takes care to drape itself in, in order to be parsed as anything but complicit. Israel needs ownership of Judaism like a corporation needs ownership of the intellectual property of a known brand.
We should not be carrying out Israel’s ultimately antisemetic agenda which is provided to it by the white christian fascist US and European powers that give it license by following along on any level with this propaganda and all it entails, including harassing innocent Jews with our presumptions about what being Jewish, not Israeli, but Jewish, entails.
@kittenlikeasmallcat @pelle perfectly put, thank you!!
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@pelle do you not understand the distinction between yelling "free Palestine" and yelling "free Palestine" specifically at a random Jewish person in the street?
@peter
#JacobBerger has an excellent little #tutorial on how as a jew to deal with others yelling »free palestine« -
@peter
if you are genuinely against the zionist occupation and genocide, how can you even hear »free palestine« as an insult?an anti-racist response could be to yell »free palestine« in return — not to go to social media with: »i'm not racist, but ...«
@pelle@veganism.social @peter@thepit.social do you do this to other ethnic groups? just see them existing and automatically assume they must support whatever their people’s fascist element is and yell at them about it?
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@pelle@veganism.social @peter@thepit.social do you do this to other ethnic groups? just see them existing and automatically assume they must support whatever their people’s fascist element is and yell at them about it?
@winter @peter
perhaps that someone yelling »free palestine« was hoping to greet a fellow antizionist? however, given how he ranted about it on social media, it's pretty clear he is not!when people yell »free palestine« towards me, i simply yell »free palestine« back, rather than assume that they assume that i'm a fascist. #mentalgymnastics #selfvictimization
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@peter
#JacobBerger has an excellent little #tutorial on how as a jew to deal with others yelling »free palestine«@pelle @peter I have a jewish friend who is against the occupation and the genocide. Though he doesn't much appreciate people shouting "free palestine" at him for wearing a kippah.
He is pro-palestinian. Why does he take offence? Probably because that shout implies that he, just because he is a jew, is suspected by default to side with Israel and is responsible for that state's actions.
Shouting "free palestine" to the street/public is quite different that shouting at someone.
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@winter @peter
perhaps that someone yelling »free palestine« was hoping to greet a fellow antizionist? however, given how he ranted about it on social media, it's pretty clear he is not!when people yell »free palestine« towards me, i simply yell »free palestine« back, rather than assume that they assume that i'm a fascist. #mentalgymnastics #selfvictimization
@pelle@veganism.social @peter@thepit.social not answering my question #hashtags
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@winter @peter
perhaps that someone yelling »free palestine« was hoping to greet a fellow antizionist? however, given how he ranted about it on social media, it's pretty clear he is not!when people yell »free palestine« towards me, i simply yell »free palestine« back, rather than assume that they assume that i'm a fascist. #mentalgymnastics #selfvictimization
@pelle@veganism.sociale @winter it's the same as reflexively demanding all Muslims denounce al Qaeda just because they are Muslim. demanding a whole ethnicity answer for something some members of that ethnicity are doing is bigotry.
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@pelle @peter I have a jewish friend who is against the occupation and the genocide. Though he doesn't much appreciate people shouting "free palestine" at him for wearing a kippah.
He is pro-palestinian. Why does he take offence? Probably because that shout implies that he, just because he is a jew, is suspected by default to side with Israel and is responsible for that state's actions.
Shouting "free palestine" to the street/public is quite different that shouting at someone.
@peter
@samuel
@winter
this "antizionist" rabbi #DavidPolsky all you so-called "leftists" and "antifascists" here are defending from having to hear "antisemites" yelling »free palestine« has written some amazing stuff about "the Jewish army's defensive war" on gaza. here from october 2025, enjoy:»If, however, the Jewish army has the ability to subdue the enemy by means of starvation and dehydration, this would enable them to accomplish their military goals without risking Jewish lives. When that is the case, there is no obligation to pursue peace. [...] Should the enemy reject such peace offers, not only is it permitted to starve the population, but the Mitzvah of leaving the enemy a passage to flee also no longer applies, and thus the Jewish army may surround the locale on all sides.« https://thelehrhaus.com/timely-thoughts/the-starvation-of-gaza-a-halakhic-argument/
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@peter
@samuel
@winter
this "antizionist" rabbi #DavidPolsky all you so-called "leftists" and "antifascists" here are defending from having to hear "antisemites" yelling »free palestine« has written some amazing stuff about "the Jewish army's defensive war" on gaza. here from october 2025, enjoy:»If, however, the Jewish army has the ability to subdue the enemy by means of starvation and dehydration, this would enable them to accomplish their military goals without risking Jewish lives. When that is the case, there is no obligation to pursue peace. [...] Should the enemy reject such peace offers, not only is it permitted to starve the population, but the Mitzvah of leaving the enemy a passage to flee also no longer applies, and thus the Jewish army may surround the locale on all sides.« https://thelehrhaus.com/timely-thoughts/the-starvation-of-gaza-a-halakhic-argument/
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@peter many more people should yell »free palestine« to the zionist rabbi.
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@peter@thepit.social @pelle@veganism.social @samuel@social.spejset.org when it’s about Jews the goyish brain shuts down
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@peter @pelle @winter I don't know much who the Rabbi is. If he is a public figure and people called him out for his personal views, yeah then of course it's fine to approach him for that. I didn't think the specific person in the post was the issue, but rather the principle.
It sounded to me initially that you didn't care if a random Jew was called at on the street because they shouldn't take offense because "free palestine" is a good slogan (i agree, it is a good slogan).
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@peter many more people should yell »free palestine« to the zionist rabbi.
@pelle because you insist on missing my point, it leads me to the conclusion that you are, in fact, one of the tankie anti-Semites that I was talking about in my original post. I really fear what's about to happen in the world.
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@peter
@samuel
@winter
this "antizionist" rabbi #DavidPolsky all you so-called "leftists" and "antifascists" here are defending from having to hear "antisemites" yelling »free palestine« has written some amazing stuff about "the Jewish army's defensive war" on gaza. here from october 2025, enjoy:»If, however, the Jewish army has the ability to subdue the enemy by means of starvation and dehydration, this would enable them to accomplish their military goals without risking Jewish lives. When that is the case, there is no obligation to pursue peace. [...] Should the enemy reject such peace offers, not only is it permitted to starve the population, but the Mitzvah of leaving the enemy a passage to flee also no longer applies, and thus the Jewish army may surround the locale on all sides.« https://thelehrhaus.com/timely-thoughts/the-starvation-of-gaza-a-halakhic-argument/
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@peter @pelle @winter I don't know much who the Rabbi is. If he is a public figure and people called him out for his personal views, yeah then of course it's fine to approach him for that. I didn't think the specific person in the post was the issue, but rather the principle.
It sounded to me initially that you didn't care if a random Jew was called at on the street because they shouldn't take offense because "free palestine" is a good slogan (i agree, it is a good slogan).
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