a lot of the tankie anti-colonialist guys are just racists.
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a lot of the tankie anti-colonialist guys are just racists.
i figured this out from the Venezuela discourse during the Chávez years. the assumption underlying tankie arguments was that brown people are supposed to have dysfunctional governments, corrupt economies, and high crime, that's normal. even now, people don't even realize that Venezuela's oil was **already nationalized** when Chávez took power, what he did was destroy the state oil company and sell off the parts.
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i figured this out from the Venezuela discourse during the Chávez years. the assumption underlying tankie arguments was that brown people are supposed to have dysfunctional governments, corrupt economies, and high crime, that's normal. even now, people don't even realize that Venezuela's oil was **already nationalized** when Chávez took power, what he did was destroy the state oil company and sell off the parts.
tankies are happy to see brown people lose their homes and their lives if it means they can confirm their priors. politics is a big rhetorical game to them, unfortunately exacerbated by the reward system of social media.
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a lot of the tankie anti-colonialist guys are just racists.
@peter from that image, i don't get it?
when a jew is offended at someone yelling »free palestine,« and someone replies that they don't find it offensive when »free palestine« is yelled, then that's tankie racism, or what?
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@peter from that image, i don't get it?
when a jew is offended at someone yelling »free palestine,« and someone replies that they don't find it offensive when »free palestine« is yelled, then that's tankie racism, or what?
@pelle yelling "free Palestine" at someone because they are Jewish is anti-Semitic, and refusing to understand that is the racist part.
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@pelle yelling "free Palestine" at someone because they are Jewish is anti-Semitic, and refusing to understand that is the racist part.
@peter
if you see that as the racist part, then i non-tankieously disagree, and i'd suggest this piece by mohammed el-kurd as a counter argument as to why,
https://mondoweiss.net/2023/09/jewish-settlers-stole-my-house-its-not-my-fault-theyre-jewish/»Palestinians are told the words we use dwarf the decades of violence enacted against us by the self-proclaimed Jewish State. A drone is one thing, but a trope—a trope is unacceptable.«
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@peter
if you see that as the racist part, then i non-tankieously disagree, and i'd suggest this piece by mohammed el-kurd as a counter argument as to why,
https://mondoweiss.net/2023/09/jewish-settlers-stole-my-house-its-not-my-fault-theyre-jewish/»Palestinians are told the words we use dwarf the decades of violence enacted against us by the self-proclaimed Jewish State. A drone is one thing, but a trope—a trope is unacceptable.«
@pelle sorry, i want to get this straight, you think it's totally fine to go up to a random Jewish person in New York City or Paris and yell "free Palestine" because they are wearing a kippah?
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@pelle sorry, i want to get this straight, you think it's totally fine to go up to a random Jewish person in New York City or Paris and yell "free Palestine" because they are wearing a kippah?
@peter
if you are genuinely against the zionist occupation and genocide, how can you even hear »free palestine« as an insult?an anti-racist response could be to yell »free palestine« in return — not to go to social media with: »i'm not racist, but ...«
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@peter
if you are genuinely against the zionist occupation and genocide, how can you even hear »free palestine« as an insult?an anti-racist response could be to yell »free palestine« in return — not to go to social media with: »i'm not racist, but ...«
@pelle do you not understand the distinction between yelling "free Palestine" and yelling "free Palestine" specifically at a random Jewish person in the street?
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@pelle yelling "free Palestine" at someone because they are Jewish is anti-Semitic, and refusing to understand that is the racist part.
@peter@thepit.social @pelle@veganism.social Israel needs as many people as possible to perfectly equate Jew with Israeli. Israel wants everyone to see any expression of Judaism as implicitly an endorsement and reminder of Israel. Israel wants people to yell things at Jews; it requires Jews to always be unsafe outside of Israel - that’s it’s prime excuse for existing. Israel would have it so every Jew needs to exhaustively, persistently, impossibly perform for a gentile audience unlimited expressions of revulsion toward it’s genocidal occupation via rejection of every marker it takes care to drape itself in, in order to be parsed as anything but complicit. Israel needs ownership of Judaism like a corporation needs ownership of the intellectual property of a known brand.
We should not be carrying out Israel’s ultimately antisemetic agenda which is provided to it by the white christian fascist US and European powers that give it license by following along on any level with this propaganda and all it entails, including harassing innocent Jews with our presumptions about what being Jewish, not Israeli, but Jewish, entails.
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@pelle do you not understand the distinction between yelling "free Palestine" and yelling "free Palestine" specifically at a random Jewish person in the street?
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@peter@thepit.social @pelle@veganism.social Israel needs as many people as possible to perfectly equate Jew with Israeli. Israel wants everyone to see any expression of Judaism as implicitly an endorsement and reminder of Israel. Israel wants people to yell things at Jews; it requires Jews to always be unsafe outside of Israel - that’s it’s prime excuse for existing. Israel would have it so every Jew needs to exhaustively, persistently, impossibly perform for a gentile audience unlimited expressions of revulsion toward it’s genocidal occupation via rejection of every marker it takes care to drape itself in, in order to be parsed as anything but complicit. Israel needs ownership of Judaism like a corporation needs ownership of the intellectual property of a known brand.
We should not be carrying out Israel’s ultimately antisemetic agenda which is provided to it by the white christian fascist US and European powers that give it license by following along on any level with this propaganda and all it entails, including harassing innocent Jews with our presumptions about what being Jewish, not Israeli, but Jewish, entails.
@kittenlikeasmallcat @pelle perfectly put, thank you!!
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@pelle do you not understand the distinction between yelling "free Palestine" and yelling "free Palestine" specifically at a random Jewish person in the street?
@peter
#JacobBerger has an excellent little #tutorial on how as a jew to deal with others yelling »free palestine« -
@peter
if you are genuinely against the zionist occupation and genocide, how can you even hear »free palestine« as an insult?an anti-racist response could be to yell »free palestine« in return — not to go to social media with: »i'm not racist, but ...«
@pelle@veganism.social @peter@thepit.social do you do this to other ethnic groups? just see them existing and automatically assume they must support whatever their people’s fascist element is and yell at them about it?
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@pelle@veganism.social @peter@thepit.social do you do this to other ethnic groups? just see them existing and automatically assume they must support whatever their people’s fascist element is and yell at them about it?
@winter @peter
perhaps that someone yelling »free palestine« was hoping to greet a fellow antizionist? however, given how he ranted about it on social media, it's pretty clear he is not!when people yell »free palestine« towards me, i simply yell »free palestine« back, rather than assume that they assume that i'm a fascist. #mentalgymnastics #selfvictimization
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@peter
#JacobBerger has an excellent little #tutorial on how as a jew to deal with others yelling »free palestine«@pelle @peter I have a jewish friend who is against the occupation and the genocide. Though he doesn't much appreciate people shouting "free palestine" at him for wearing a kippah.
He is pro-palestinian. Why does he take offence? Probably because that shout implies that he, just because he is a jew, is suspected by default to side with Israel and is responsible for that state's actions.
Shouting "free palestine" to the street/public is quite different that shouting at someone.
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@winter @peter
perhaps that someone yelling »free palestine« was hoping to greet a fellow antizionist? however, given how he ranted about it on social media, it's pretty clear he is not!when people yell »free palestine« towards me, i simply yell »free palestine« back, rather than assume that they assume that i'm a fascist. #mentalgymnastics #selfvictimization
@pelle@veganism.social @peter@thepit.social not answering my question #hashtags
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@winter @peter
perhaps that someone yelling »free palestine« was hoping to greet a fellow antizionist? however, given how he ranted about it on social media, it's pretty clear he is not!when people yell »free palestine« towards me, i simply yell »free palestine« back, rather than assume that they assume that i'm a fascist. #mentalgymnastics #selfvictimization
@pelle@veganism.sociale @winter it's the same as reflexively demanding all Muslims denounce al Qaeda just because they are Muslim. demanding a whole ethnicity answer for something some members of that ethnicity are doing is bigotry.
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@pelle @peter I have a jewish friend who is against the occupation and the genocide. Though he doesn't much appreciate people shouting "free palestine" at him for wearing a kippah.
He is pro-palestinian. Why does he take offence? Probably because that shout implies that he, just because he is a jew, is suspected by default to side with Israel and is responsible for that state's actions.
Shouting "free palestine" to the street/public is quite different that shouting at someone.
@peter
@samuel
@winter
this "antizionist" rabbi #DavidPolsky all you so-called "leftists" and "antifascists" here are defending from having to hear "antisemites" yelling »free palestine« has written some amazing stuff about "the Jewish army's defensive war" on gaza. here from october 2025, enjoy:»If, however, the Jewish army has the ability to subdue the enemy by means of starvation and dehydration, this would enable them to accomplish their military goals without risking Jewish lives. When that is the case, there is no obligation to pursue peace. [...] Should the enemy reject such peace offers, not only is it permitted to starve the population, but the Mitzvah of leaving the enemy a passage to flee also no longer applies, and thus the Jewish army may surround the locale on all sides.« https://thelehrhaus.com/timely-thoughts/the-starvation-of-gaza-a-halakhic-argument/
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@peter
@samuel
@winter
this "antizionist" rabbi #DavidPolsky all you so-called "leftists" and "antifascists" here are defending from having to hear "antisemites" yelling »free palestine« has written some amazing stuff about "the Jewish army's defensive war" on gaza. here from october 2025, enjoy:»If, however, the Jewish army has the ability to subdue the enemy by means of starvation and dehydration, this would enable them to accomplish their military goals without risking Jewish lives. When that is the case, there is no obligation to pursue peace. [...] Should the enemy reject such peace offers, not only is it permitted to starve the population, but the Mitzvah of leaving the enemy a passage to flee also no longer applies, and thus the Jewish army may surround the locale on all sides.« https://thelehrhaus.com/timely-thoughts/the-starvation-of-gaza-a-halakhic-argument/
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@peter many more people should yell »free palestine« to the zionist rabbi.
