DDos (Distributed Denial of Service) attack against BlueSky a few days ago: The whole network goes down.
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And to be very clear about this: DDoS attacks are stupid and cause a lot of work. My sympathy goes to the sysadmins on every side, including those at the upstream network providers who have to deal with this, often at weird times. It is exhausting work and I really don't want you to have to do it, but hey, that's the world we live in, unfortunately. Sys Admin Hug!
@jwildeboer In most cases they are so rampant that #Blackholing said traffic at the IX level works pretty well…
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DDos (Distributed Denial of Service) attack against BlueSky a few days ago: The whole network goes down.
DDoS against mastodon.social today: Lots of users on that instance impacted, the rest of the Fediverse keeps on running, my instance doesn't really notice, messages will be queued up until mastodon.social is reachable again.
Both networks claim to be decentralised and federated. You decide
@jwildeboer @CAPETOK he aquí la explicación de lo que te quejabas en la mañana con respecto a mastodon
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@jwildeboer it's only decentralized if there's no #SinglePointOfFailure.
Same goes for anything else:
- Regardless if #XMPP+#OMEMO
- If say
5222.deis down the only ones noticing are their users and their contacts.
- If say
- Or #PGP/MIME.
- And that is it's strenght.
In fact #eMail is so powerful that @delta / #deltaChat is getting popular in #Russia because even if they wanted to, (they don't, obviously!) they couldn't comply with #Roskomnadnozr's #Cyberfascism!
@jwildeboer I mean, since #eMail does allow for "Store & Forward" setups (With early Networks literally mailing tapes and then
uucp'ing #eMails locally,) I'd not be surprised if @delta is used that way by many dissidents instead paper to communicate externally.- Heck I'm shure folks at #AsiaPress's #RimjinGang are exploring it for #airgapped communication along their #SneakerNet.
- Regardless if #XMPP+#OMEMO
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@jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net
This is why people should span out across the Fediverse.
We have this decentralized network, but if most people are in the same place you can take most of it out in one move. Clustering on one large site makes it the weakest link.@Linux @jwildeboer this is interesting to ponder and quite true. Also, may be an argument for multiple accounts on multiple instances.
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DDos (Distributed Denial of Service) attack against BlueSky a few days ago: The whole network goes down.
DDoS against mastodon.social today: Lots of users on that instance impacted, the rest of the Fediverse keeps on running, my instance doesn't really notice, messages will be queued up until mastodon.social is reachable again.
Both networks claim to be decentralised and federated. You decide
@jwildeboer Apparently not the entire BlueSky network went down because of this. Someone yesterday pointed out that they still were able to post and do stuff with people on other instances BUT that the main issue is the BlueSky network demands that everyone has a full view on their own instance. As you get replies by them referencing the parent post and not the parent referencing the children...
So I assume BlueSky is more like the Usenet than like Mastodon in the end.
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@jwildeboer Apparently not the entire BlueSky network went down because of this. Someone yesterday pointed out that they still were able to post and do stuff with people on other instances BUT that the main issue is the BlueSky network demands that everyone has a full view on their own instance. As you get replies by them referencing the parent post and not the parent referencing the children...
So I assume BlueSky is more like the Usenet than like Mastodon in the end.
@agowa338 The TL;DR for me is that the current ATProto/Atmosphere architecture still contains centralised elements that stand in the way of full federation. My suspicion is that this is by design.
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DDos (Distributed Denial of Service) attack against BlueSky a few days ago: The whole network goes down.
DDoS against mastodon.social today: Lots of users on that instance impacted, the rest of the Fediverse keeps on running, my instance doesn't really notice, messages will be queued up until mastodon.social is reachable again.
Both networks claim to be decentralised and federated. You decide
@jwildeboer saw mastodon.social was down, just had to flip to my backup account.
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DDos (Distributed Denial of Service) attack against BlueSky a few days ago: The whole network goes down.
DDoS against mastodon.social today: Lots of users on that instance impacted, the rest of the Fediverse keeps on running, my instance doesn't really notice, messages will be queued up until mastodon.social is reachable again.
Both networks claim to be decentralised and federated. You decide
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DDos (Distributed Denial of Service) attack against BlueSky a few days ago: The whole network goes down.
DDoS against mastodon.social today: Lots of users on that instance impacted, the rest of the Fediverse keeps on running, my instance doesn't really notice, messages will be queued up until mastodon.social is reachable again.
Both networks claim to be decentralised and federated. You decide
There's still a network effect though. Half the accounts I follow or care about are down. But maybe incidents like this will inspire #Mastodon users to migrate off of mastodon.social.
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DDos (Distributed Denial of Service) attack against BlueSky a few days ago: The whole network goes down.
DDoS against mastodon.social today: Lots of users on that instance impacted, the rest of the Fediverse keeps on running, my instance doesn't really notice, messages will be queued up until mastodon.social is reachable again.
Both networks claim to be decentralised and federated. You decide
@jwildeboer
> You decide. . looks like a rhetorical question from over here ..
btw
You mean the mastodon.social users just realized that their death star isn't decentralized, leads the setup to an ad absurdum circumstance and will, as always, go down with their uninformed decision making?Do the Ddoser take credits for exposing reality or do they only accept satoshis?
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DDos (Distributed Denial of Service) attack against BlueSky a few days ago: The whole network goes down.
DDoS against mastodon.social today: Lots of users on that instance impacted, the rest of the Fediverse keeps on running, my instance doesn't really notice, messages will be queued up until mastodon.social is reachable again.
Both networks claim to be decentralised and federated. You decide
@jwildeboer I wouldn't even have known if not for this post
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@jwildeboer @CAPETOK he aquí la explicación de lo que te quejabas en la mañana con respecto a mastodon
@MDT @jwildeboer Muchas gracias hermano.
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And also, GotoSocial doesn't really notice, nor Pixelfeld, nor Friendica, nor so many others that I can't really list them all.
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DDos (Distributed Denial of Service) attack against BlueSky a few days ago: The whole network goes down.
DDoS against mastodon.social today: Lots of users on that instance impacted, the rest of the Fediverse keeps on running, my instance doesn't really notice, messages will be queued up until mastodon.social is reachable again.
Both networks claim to be decentralised and federated. You decide
@jwildeboer @iguana09863 aquí la explicación
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DDos (Distributed Denial of Service) attack against BlueSky a few days ago: The whole network goes down.
DDoS against mastodon.social today: Lots of users on that instance impacted, the rest of the Fediverse keeps on running, my instance doesn't really notice, messages will be queued up until mastodon.social is reachable again.
Both networks claim to be decentralised and federated. You decide
@jwildeboer Who the heck would attack mastodon social??
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@agowa338 The TL;DR for me is that the current ATProto/Atmosphere architecture still contains centralised elements that stand in the way of full federation. My suspicion is that this is by design.
@jwildeboer
> My suspicion is that this is by design.You mean on purpose?
Probably.
Maybe just tunnel view, incapability of not being able to think outside the box ...
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@jwildeboer
> My suspicion is that this is by design.You mean on purpose?
Probably.
Maybe just tunnel view, incapability of not being able to think outside the box ...
@jesuisatire ActivityPub/ActivityStreams, the protocol behind the fediverse, is a W3C open standard,. ATProto/Atmosphere is a corporate thing with no defined open process to update/change it. So I consider it to be a proprietary thing. Want to call that tunnel view, unable of thinking outside the box? Fine with me. @agowa338
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@jwildeboer it's only decentralized if there's no #SinglePointOfFailure.
Same goes for anything else:
- Regardless if #XMPP+#OMEMO
- If say
5222.deis down the only ones noticing are their users and their contacts.
- If say
- Or #PGP/MIME.
- And that is it's strenght.
In fact #eMail is so powerful that @delta / #deltaChat is getting popular in #Russia because even if they wanted to, (they don't, obviously!) they couldn't comply with #Roskomnadnozr's #Cyberfascism!
@kkarhan
Maybe that's why @delta is ruining itself by skipping email?And no, not going to discus this, I simply will not update #deltaChat anymore and in any case wait for a hardfork of it or learn to code if necessary.
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@jwildeboer Eg. because of the growing decentralization, one issue that is coming up over there is people linking to their post from non-Bluesky apps.
And you can't use the "copy the URL into the search" trick we have on here.
So them making progress on decentralization is a double-edged sword, where the fediverse could have an advantage, if we continue working on smoothing some of the user experience challenges related to decentralization.
Just a thought.
@stefan
> if we continue working onUltimately this is about the engagement of the "work force", and I'd like to believe that the fedi with it's nearly 20 years of experience is way better positioned and has already proven to be enshitificationresistant.
Even the fact that the main guru has already left blue sky is just another proof, including the detail that he didn't came over here.
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@kkarhan
Maybe that's why @delta is ruining itself by skipping email?And no, not going to discus this, I simply will not update #deltaChat anymore and in any case wait for a hardfork of it or learn to code if necessary.
@jesuisatire @jwildeboer WDYM?
Last time I checked @delta still used #PGP/MIME with #IMAP & #SMTP…- The whole reason to use #deltaChat is to avoid having to setup yet another Server (Which is the prime reason against #XMPP+#OMEMO, #Zulip, #RicketChat and #Matrix)…
