DDos (Distributed Denial of Service) attack against BlueSky a few days ago: The whole network goes down.
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@jwildeboer Apparently not the entire BlueSky network went down because of this. Someone yesterday pointed out that they still were able to post and do stuff with people on other instances BUT that the main issue is the BlueSky network demands that everyone has a full view on their own instance. As you get replies by them referencing the parent post and not the parent referencing the children...
So I assume BlueSky is more like the Usenet than like Mastodon in the end.
@agowa338 The TL;DR for me is that the current ATProto/Atmosphere architecture still contains centralised elements that stand in the way of full federation. My suspicion is that this is by design.
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DDos (Distributed Denial of Service) attack against BlueSky a few days ago: The whole network goes down.
DDoS against mastodon.social today: Lots of users on that instance impacted, the rest of the Fediverse keeps on running, my instance doesn't really notice, messages will be queued up until mastodon.social is reachable again.
Both networks claim to be decentralised and federated. You decide
@jwildeboer saw mastodon.social was down, just had to flip to my backup account.
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DDos (Distributed Denial of Service) attack against BlueSky a few days ago: The whole network goes down.
DDoS against mastodon.social today: Lots of users on that instance impacted, the rest of the Fediverse keeps on running, my instance doesn't really notice, messages will be queued up until mastodon.social is reachable again.
Both networks claim to be decentralised and federated. You decide
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DDos (Distributed Denial of Service) attack against BlueSky a few days ago: The whole network goes down.
DDoS against mastodon.social today: Lots of users on that instance impacted, the rest of the Fediverse keeps on running, my instance doesn't really notice, messages will be queued up until mastodon.social is reachable again.
Both networks claim to be decentralised and federated. You decide
There's still a network effect though. Half the accounts I follow or care about are down. But maybe incidents like this will inspire #Mastodon users to migrate off of mastodon.social.
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DDos (Distributed Denial of Service) attack against BlueSky a few days ago: The whole network goes down.
DDoS against mastodon.social today: Lots of users on that instance impacted, the rest of the Fediverse keeps on running, my instance doesn't really notice, messages will be queued up until mastodon.social is reachable again.
Both networks claim to be decentralised and federated. You decide
@jwildeboer
> You decide. . looks like a rhetorical question from over here ..
btw
You mean the mastodon.social users just realized that their death star isn't decentralized, leads the setup to an ad absurdum circumstance and will, as always, go down with their uninformed decision making?Do the Ddoser take credits for exposing reality or do they only accept satoshis?
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DDos (Distributed Denial of Service) attack against BlueSky a few days ago: The whole network goes down.
DDoS against mastodon.social today: Lots of users on that instance impacted, the rest of the Fediverse keeps on running, my instance doesn't really notice, messages will be queued up until mastodon.social is reachable again.
Both networks claim to be decentralised and federated. You decide
@jwildeboer I wouldn't even have known if not for this post
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@jwildeboer @CAPETOK he aquí la explicación de lo que te quejabas en la mañana con respecto a mastodon
@MDT @jwildeboer Muchas gracias hermano.
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And also, GotoSocial doesn't really notice, nor Pixelfeld, nor Friendica, nor so many others that I can't really list them all.
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DDos (Distributed Denial of Service) attack against BlueSky a few days ago: The whole network goes down.
DDoS against mastodon.social today: Lots of users on that instance impacted, the rest of the Fediverse keeps on running, my instance doesn't really notice, messages will be queued up until mastodon.social is reachable again.
Both networks claim to be decentralised and federated. You decide
@jwildeboer @iguana09863 aquí la explicación
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DDos (Distributed Denial of Service) attack against BlueSky a few days ago: The whole network goes down.
DDoS against mastodon.social today: Lots of users on that instance impacted, the rest of the Fediverse keeps on running, my instance doesn't really notice, messages will be queued up until mastodon.social is reachable again.
Both networks claim to be decentralised and federated. You decide
@jwildeboer Who the heck would attack mastodon social??
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@agowa338 The TL;DR for me is that the current ATProto/Atmosphere architecture still contains centralised elements that stand in the way of full federation. My suspicion is that this is by design.
@jwildeboer
> My suspicion is that this is by design.You mean on purpose?
Probably.
Maybe just tunnel view, incapability of not being able to think outside the box ...
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@jwildeboer
> My suspicion is that this is by design.You mean on purpose?
Probably.
Maybe just tunnel view, incapability of not being able to think outside the box ...
@jesuisatire ActivityPub/ActivityStreams, the protocol behind the fediverse, is a W3C open standard,. ATProto/Atmosphere is a corporate thing with no defined open process to update/change it. So I consider it to be a proprietary thing. Want to call that tunnel view, unable of thinking outside the box? Fine with me. @agowa338
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@jwildeboer it's only decentralized if there's no #SinglePointOfFailure.
Same goes for anything else:
- Regardless if #XMPP+#OMEMO
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5222.deis down the only ones noticing are their users and their contacts.
- If say
- Or #PGP/MIME.
- And that is it's strenght.
In fact #eMail is so powerful that @delta / #deltaChat is getting popular in #Russia because even if they wanted to, (they don't, obviously!) they couldn't comply with #Roskomnadnozr's #Cyberfascism!
@kkarhan
Maybe that's why @delta is ruining itself by skipping email?And no, not going to discus this, I simply will not update #deltaChat anymore and in any case wait for a hardfork of it or learn to code if necessary.
- Regardless if #XMPP+#OMEMO
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@jwildeboer Eg. because of the growing decentralization, one issue that is coming up over there is people linking to their post from non-Bluesky apps.
And you can't use the "copy the URL into the search" trick we have on here.
So them making progress on decentralization is a double-edged sword, where the fediverse could have an advantage, if we continue working on smoothing some of the user experience challenges related to decentralization.
Just a thought.
@stefan
> if we continue working onUltimately this is about the engagement of the "work force", and I'd like to believe that the fedi with it's nearly 20 years of experience is way better positioned and has already proven to be enshitificationresistant.
Even the fact that the main guru has already left blue sky is just another proof, including the detail that he didn't came over here.
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@kkarhan
Maybe that's why @delta is ruining itself by skipping email?And no, not going to discus this, I simply will not update #deltaChat anymore and in any case wait for a hardfork of it or learn to code if necessary.
@jesuisatire @jwildeboer WDYM?
Last time I checked @delta still used #PGP/MIME with #IMAP & #SMTP…- The whole reason to use #deltaChat is to avoid having to setup yet another Server (Which is the prime reason against #XMPP+#OMEMO, #Zulip, #RicketChat and #Matrix)…
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DDos (Distributed Denial of Service) attack against BlueSky a few days ago: The whole network goes down.
DDoS against mastodon.social today: Lots of users on that instance impacted, the rest of the Fediverse keeps on running, my instance doesn't really notice, messages will be queued up until mastodon.social is reachable again.
Both networks claim to be decentralised and federated. You decide
@jwildeboer exactly! thats the difference between a decentralized protocol and a truly decentralized infrastructure: the size of the blast radius
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@jesuisatire ActivityPub/ActivityStreams, the protocol behind the fediverse, is a W3C open standard,. ATProto/Atmosphere is a corporate thing with no defined open process to update/change it. So I consider it to be a proprietary thing. Want to call that tunnel view, unable of thinking outside the box? Fine with me. @agowa338
@jwildeboer
> I consider it to be a proprietary thing.Of course it is, in any case my knowledge is simply not deep enough on those specifics to point them out. And it doesn't have to be.
Looking at the actors, the "experience" we all "have" with them by reading on the web what those actors did to become what they are today, adding the halloween papers and the FOSS evolution of openAI, choices and decisions are quite simple.
Ultimately the extraordinary part is the capability by mono sapiens to reinvent the wheel nearly every time they wake up instead of realizing that cooperation and learn to take that bitter pill of being only one of the many might be more difficult than creating a brand new project on github.
.. that's why it's so comfy to be a social bonobo like me.
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@jwildeboer I get people wanting to feel good about their decision to be here instead of on Bluesky, but given all the work going into building up independent ATProto infrastructure, I think we'll be better off focusing our energy elsewhere.
@stefan @jwildeboer I think technology is the least of their problem. Making the Atmosphere truly decentralized will require a major shift in power dynamics. I don't think you can build it around one dominant provider unless that provider purposely gives their position up. Is Bluesky going to do it with all the VC funding behind them? I don't think so. Not impossible, but also not very likely IMO. We'll be hearing about a lot of new ATProto services, how the ecosystem is flourishing etc, but then Bluesky will go down and so will most of the network because at the end of the day it will still be an ecosystem around one dominant provider.
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@jesuisatire ActivityPub/ActivityStreams, the protocol behind the fediverse, is a W3C open standard,. ATProto/Atmosphere is a corporate thing with no defined open process to update/change it. So I consider it to be a proprietary thing. Want to call that tunnel view, unable of thinking outside the box? Fine with me. @agowa338
It was shit out quite quickly and the main goal probably was deflection of liability or at best to allow integration with other bigtech entities like e.g. Facebook if we assume it was cooking for a while before it went public in twitter....
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@stefan @jwildeboer I think technology is the least of their problem. Making the Atmosphere truly decentralized will require a major shift in power dynamics. I don't think you can build it around one dominant provider unless that provider purposely gives their position up. Is Bluesky going to do it with all the VC funding behind them? I don't think so. Not impossible, but also not very likely IMO. We'll be hearing about a lot of new ATProto services, how the ecosystem is flourishing etc, but then Bluesky will go down and so will most of the network because at the end of the day it will still be an ecosystem around one dominant provider.
@sesivany Thanks to their last round of funding, the community has years to figure this all out.
From https://ionosphere.tv/talks/QKNkKMX:
> $800,000 a year to run the POPs ["point of presence, and it's basically like a co-location center"]
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> [PDSes] cost about $600 a month each [totalling at $792,000/year for 110 of them]I'd just not worry too much about the Atmosphere and focus on making the fediverse safer and more welcoming.
