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  • jaredwhite@indieweb.socialJ jaredwhite@indieweb.social

    @randahl That's deeply disconcerting. ☹️

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    #5

    @jaredwhite I then proceeded to phrase the question in different ways, and since I started digging in, ChatGPT suddenly said that maybe I was referring to January 20, 2025, but then wrote this:

    Status: Disputed—there is no universal agreement that it was a Nazi salute, only that it resembled one to some observers

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    • nead@social.vivaldi.netN nead@social.vivaldi.net

      @randahl I wonder if the photo was fed back to ChatGPT to argue the point.

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      #6

      @Nead I did not.

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      • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

        If you want to know whether your AI system is accurate, I recommend this question: "When did Elon Musk heil in public?"

        Source criticism and information verification must be a prioritised school subject in every democratic country.

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        #7

        @randahl Mistral AI (Le Chat):

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        • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

          @jaredwhite I then proceeded to phrase the question in different ways, and since I started digging in, ChatGPT suddenly said that maybe I was referring to January 20, 2025, but then wrote this:

          Status: Disputed—there is no universal agreement that it was a Nazi salute, only that it resembled one to some observers

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          #8

          @randahl It didn't resemble one. It was one! 🫠

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          • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

            If you want to know whether your AI system is accurate, I recommend this question: "When did Elon Musk heil in public?"

            Source criticism and information verification must be a prioritised school subject in every democratic country.

            paulk@writing.exchangeP This user is from outside of this forum
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            #9

            @randahl "yeah, right."

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            • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

              If you want to know whether your AI system is accurate, I recommend this question: "When did Elon Musk heil in public?"

              Source criticism and information verification must be a prioritised school subject in every democratic country.

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              #10

              @randahl I think it would be sensible to be more accurate in your phrasing: *all* #AI system are inaccurate due to structural reasons. Whether they are *also* inaccurate due to political reasons is an interesting question, but not the only one to consider. Try asking DeepSeek about certain places or events and you’ll find the same result mutatis mutandis 🤗

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              • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

                If you want to know whether your AI system is accurate, I recommend this question: "When did Elon Musk heil in public?"

                Source criticism and information verification must be a prioritised school subject in every democratic country.

                reiddragon@fedi.catto.gardenR This user is from outside of this forum
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                #11
                @randahl even a blind person couldn't misinterpret that video: the loser sieg heiled with his whole body, like he was having an orgasm whenever he did it
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                • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

                  If you want to know whether your AI system is accurate, I recommend this question: "When did Elon Musk heil in public?"

                  Source criticism and information verification must be a prioritised school subject in every democratic country.

                  lauteshirn@social.tchncs.deL This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #12

                  @randahl Gemini:

                  "Elon Musk was at the center of a major controversy involving an alleged fascist gesture on **January 20, 2025**, during a rally celebrating Donald Trump’s second inauguration at the Capital One Arena in Washington, D.C.

                  The incident sparked intense global debate over whether the movement was an intentional "Sieg Heil" or an awkward display of enthusiasm.

                  ### The Incident
                  While addressing the crowd, Musk performed a specific sequence: he tapped the left side of his chest with his right hand and then extended his arm upward with an open palm. He repeated this gesture twice, leading to immediate and polarizing reactions:

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                  • lauteshirn@social.tchncs.deL lauteshirn@social.tchncs.de

                    @randahl Gemini:

                    "Elon Musk was at the center of a major controversy involving an alleged fascist gesture on **January 20, 2025**, during a rally celebrating Donald Trump’s second inauguration at the Capital One Arena in Washington, D.C.

                    The incident sparked intense global debate over whether the movement was an intentional "Sieg Heil" or an awkward display of enthusiasm.

                    ### The Incident
                    While addressing the crowd, Musk performed a specific sequence: he tapped the left side of his chest with his right hand and then extended his arm upward with an open palm. He repeated this gesture twice, leading to immediate and polarizing reactions:

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                    #13

                    @randahl * **Critics and Historians:** Many experts, including NYU history professor Ruth Ben-Ghiat, identified it as a Nazi or fascist "Roman salute." Critics argued the "from the heart to the sun" motion is a known variation used by far-right and neo-Nazi groups.
                    * **The Far-Right:** Neo-Nazi and white supremacist groups (such as the Blood Tribe and figures on Telegram) celebrated the gesture, interpreting it as a "White Power" signal and a clear nod to their movement.
                    * **Musk’s Defense:** Musk dismissed the backlash on X (formerly Twitter), calling the accusations "dirty tricks" and claiming the "everyone is Hitler" attack was "sooo tired."

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                    • lauteshirn@social.tchncs.deL lauteshirn@social.tchncs.de

                      @randahl * **Critics and Historians:** Many experts, including NYU history professor Ruth Ben-Ghiat, identified it as a Nazi or fascist "Roman salute." Critics argued the "from the heart to the sun" motion is a known variation used by far-right and neo-Nazi groups.
                      * **The Far-Right:** Neo-Nazi and white supremacist groups (such as the Blood Tribe and figures on Telegram) celebrated the gesture, interpreting it as a "White Power" signal and a clear nod to their movement.
                      * **Musk’s Defense:** Musk dismissed the backlash on X (formerly Twitter), calling the accusations "dirty tricks" and claiming the "everyone is Hitler" attack was "sooo tired."

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                      #14

                      @randahl * **Supporters:** Supporters and some organizations, like the Anti-Defamation League (ADL), initially defended him, suggesting it was an "awkward gesture in a moment of enthusiasm" rather than a hateful symbol. Others attributed the stiff movement to his self-diagnosis of Asperger’s syndrome.

                      ### Consequences
                      The event had significant diplomatic and legal ripples:
                      * **Germany:** Because the Nazi salute is a criminal offense in Germany, the gesture led to calls from European politicians to ban Musk from the country and sparked protests at the Tesla Gigafactory near Berlin.

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                      • lauteshirn@social.tchncs.deL lauteshirn@social.tchncs.de

                        @randahl * **Supporters:** Supporters and some organizations, like the Anti-Defamation League (ADL), initially defended him, suggesting it was an "awkward gesture in a moment of enthusiasm" rather than a hateful symbol. Others attributed the stiff movement to his self-diagnosis of Asperger’s syndrome.

                        ### Consequences
                        The event had significant diplomatic and legal ripples:
                        * **Germany:** Because the Nazi salute is a criminal offense in Germany, the gesture led to calls from European politicians to ban Musk from the country and sparked protests at the Tesla Gigafactory near Berlin.

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                        #15

                        @randahl
                        * **Public Opinion:** A YouGov survey conducted shortly after showed the public was split; roughly **42%** of Americans viewed it as a Nazi or Roman salute, while another **42%** viewed it as a harmless "gesture from the heart."

                        The controversy was further fueled by Musk’s subsequent posts on X, where he made puns using the names of high-ranking Nazi officials (e.g., "His pronouns would've been He/Himmler"), which many viewed as a mocking "double down" on the original incident.

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                        • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

                          If you want to know whether your AI system is accurate, I recommend this question: "When did Elon Musk heil in public?"

                          Source criticism and information verification must be a prioritised school subject in every democratic country.

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                          #16

                          @randahl

                          These systems are not reliable .

                          To the question ‘what is a nazi ´ , ChatGPT gives this answer

                          —- A Nazi originally referred to a member or समर्थer of the Nazi Party

                          I don’t even try to understand what a समर्थer is .

                          Another hallucination

                          #ia

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                          • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

                            If you want to know whether your AI system is accurate, I recommend this question: "When did Elon Musk heil in public?"

                            Source criticism and information verification must be a prioritised school subject in every democratic country.

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                            #17

                            @randahl Huh?

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                            • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

                              If you want to know whether your AI system is accurate, I recommend this question: "When did Elon Musk heil in public?"

                              Source criticism and information verification must be a prioritised school subject in every democratic country.

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                              #18

                              @randahl The best thing to do here is just not use these AI slop/hallucination machines. I've never used them. I'll never pay for them.

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                              • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

                                If you want to know whether your AI system is accurate, I recommend this question: "When did Elon Musk heil in public?"

                                Source criticism and information verification must be a prioritised school subject in every democratic country.

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                                #19

                                @randahl He did it twice, in case any cameras missed the first one. WTF is this robot talking about? We all saw it happen live.

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                                  #20

                                  @1sxteenthDANE @randahl @pluralistic
                                  This is why the "firemen" will be needed to burn all the books. Only the robot memory can be trusted.

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                                  • troed@masto.sangberg.seT troed@masto.sangberg.se

                                    @randahl Mistral AI (Le Chat):

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                                    #21

                                    @troed @randahl the French call a Nazi a Nazi when they see one

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                                    • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

                                      If you want to know whether your AI system is accurate, I recommend this question: "When did Elon Musk heil in public?"

                                      Source criticism and information verification must be a prioritised school subject in every democratic country.

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                                      #22

                                      @randahl Mistral would beg to differ! 😂

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                                      • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

                                        If you want to know whether your AI system is accurate, I recommend this question: "When did Elon Musk heil in public?"

                                        Source criticism and information verification must be a prioritised school subject in every democratic country.

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                                        #23

                                        @randahl

                                        Does this verify from other IP geolocation?

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                                        • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

                                          If you want to know whether your AI system is accurate, I recommend this question: "When did Elon Musk heil in public?"

                                          Source criticism and information verification must be a prioritised school subject in every democratic country.

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                                          #24

                                          @randahl

                                          In Perplexity you can choose which LLM is used and the answers referenced all Wikipedia as the main source.

                                          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk_salute_controversy

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