Whatever they say about "loving the Web", the Chrome team will choose Google's ad business over everything else, web standards, user agency, security, privacy, safety, interoperability, literally anything and everything else every single time.

[tito_swineflu@sfba.social]

@mhoye I like norwegian chrome. That seems largely unobjectionable. I'd also consider a spinoff norwegian black metal chrome.

[ericcarroll@cosocial.ca]

@mhoye
Well that clarifies it.

[mhoye@cosocial.ca]

@iscarlosmolero Lol, I was at Mozilla when we had to send the waterfox guy a cease and desist after he copied the entire Mozilla website and only changed the word "fire" to "water". It still listed all the Mozilla leadership, unchanged except for now they were "CEO of waterfox" and so on. I got to congratulate our CTO on his new gig, turns out he didn't think it was funny.

[jwcph@helvede.net]

@mhoye @folix Wow - would you like to share with the rest of the class? Because that sounds like a pretty scary verdict coming from an insider, I for one would certainly like to know the background...

[sab@hostux.social]

Weirdly GNOME Web, which also uses WebKit, has gotten a lot better over the last year or so. I find it strange there are not more WebKit browsers around considering how it has been around forever, has deep roots in open source, and is obviously capable.

That said, at this point I'm pretty much holding my breath for @servo to be daily driver ready.
@joho @mhoye

[cinebox@masto.hackers.town]

@mhoye Safari isn’t chromium-based, it’s WebKit

[mpjgregoire@cosocial.ca]

@mhoye @skyfaller
There's an account for @servo on Mastodon.

#servo

[tedmielczarek@mastodon.social]

@skyfaller @mhoye one thing that's different about the Chrome monoculture we have right now vs. the IE4 monoculture of the early 2000s is that Google owns both the dominant browser *and* a number of huge websites and has no qualms about making those websites unusable in non-Chrome browsers.

[librewolf@chaos.social]

@mhoye @folix Unless you provide any context for this, you are just spreading meaningless FUD.

[hsza@social.tudbut.de]

@mhoye @folix conflict of interest!~~~

[mhoye@cosocial.ca]

@hsza @folix I haven't worked there in five years and have no reason to change my mind.

[hsza@social.tudbut.de]

@mhoye @folix please do provide context for why librewolf is a bad option in your opinion

[einsiedlerspiel@todon.nl]

@skyfaller @mhoye netsurf these days is genuinely a worse experience than just using a text based terminal browser.

[brnrd@bsd.network]

@mhoye @dzwiedziu I feel reservations too.

What are the other options?
I don't have a good feeling about my own ability (or resources) to yeet the bad features into the sun.

[dzwiedziu@mastodon.social]

@brnrd
What are your reservations? Why “never”?

@mhoye

[marijn@mastodon.social]

@cinebox @mhoye Yeah I feel that should have read 'left-behind grandpa of Chrome' instead. It's definitely its own thing (even if that mostly means it's more broken).

[chetman@hachyderm.io]

@mhoye Why is Safari “Apple Chrome?”

[theorangetheme@en.osm.town]

@mhoye @folix I've been using LibreWolf for a few months now. Can you please provide more detail?

[cy@fedicy.us.to]

https://librewolf.net

[tezoatlipoca@mas.to]

@mhoye

As much as I'd otherwise hop on the "get Firefox" bandwagon, their engine gets clobbered by most business saass platforms. Try using Firefox for more than 10 minutes with say Atlassian Confluence or Sharepoint and see how that goes -> I had to give up Firefox because we're an Atlassian shop. Yeah, a single page is 97MB (which is a lot of other unrelated wtf questions), but takes 25s to load? sigh.

True, Norwegian Chrome (Vivaldi) follows the manifestV3 uBlock drop, but at least they have their own (less functional) adblock built-in and on by default.