Dear Fedi friends,
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@_elena I think everyone I follow is #NoAI lol, I went from teaching data sci and physics to teaching how to circumvent/remove #LLMs in data sci and physics... it's tough for the kids trying to learn through this slop
One thing I think helps a bit is to specify when dragging #LLM_AI vs #DecisionTree_AI #NeuralNet_AI or #Statistical_AI etc. Alot of phys/ data sci here uses #AI as a catchall for all of #datascience including #MachineLearning so it can get confusing (is likely meant to be lol).@AstroHyde @_elena the "is machine learning still AI" question is one that I keep running into. AI is just a terribly nonspecific term.
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Dear Fedi friends,
I'd like to put together a list of people who are publicly resisting / calling out LLMs and AI slop.
Why? I enjoy reading my Fediverse feed in topical lists and I need something to counteract the unrelenting AI hype I see in the media.
Do you have any recommendations?
So far, at the top of my list I have:
@timnitGebru @emilymbender and @alexhanna of @DAIR
plus @cwebber @jaredwhite and @tante
Anyone else to recommend who advocates for #NoAI?
@_elena @DAIR
️ If that helps, I was quoted in this article calling AI the archenemesis of data privacy: https://arstechnica.com/security/2026/01/signal-creator-moxie-marlinspike-wants-to-do-for-ai-what-he-did-for-messaging/'Data privacy expert Em (she keeps her last name off the Internet) called AI assistants the “archnemesis” of data privacy because their utility relies on assembling massive amounts of data from myriad sources, including individuals.
“AI models are inherent data collectors,” she told Ars. “They rely on large data collection for training, improvements, operations, and customizations. More often than not, this data is collected without clear and informed consent (from unknowing training subjects or from platform users), and is sent to and accessed by a private company with many incentives to share and monetize this data.”'
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@hikingdude @_elena smoking a cigarette feels good but it's still bad and we should talk about it being bad all the time and never say good things about it
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@_elena @DAIR
️ If that helps, I was quoted in this article calling AI the archenemesis of data privacy: https://arstechnica.com/security/2026/01/signal-creator-moxie-marlinspike-wants-to-do-for-ai-what-he-did-for-messaging/'Data privacy expert Em (she keeps her last name off the Internet) called AI assistants the “archnemesis” of data privacy because their utility relies on assembling massive amounts of data from myriad sources, including individuals.
“AI models are inherent data collectors,” she told Ars. “They rely on large data collection for training, improvements, operations, and customizations. More often than not, this data is collected without clear and informed consent (from unknowing training subjects or from platform users), and is sent to and accessed by a private company with many incentives to share and monetize this data.”'
@_elena Here's another public statement I made: https://infosec.exchange/@Em0nM4stodon/116109826119332018
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@hikingdude @_elena You don't need to spend any time defending the billion dollar industry that has a laundry list of horrible things attached to it, war, theft, scamming, even if its made it easier to do some small little thing for you.
Hopefully at some point you see why its such a weird thing to go out of your way to post as a reply to her. -
@_elena @timnitGebru @emilymbender @alexhanna @DAIR @jaredwhite @tante I would clarify also that I am not quite #NoAI in terms of AI tech, but I am definitely opposed to the *AI industry* and this hype wave. There may be various useful things from this tech, but the net version of things with it being forced upon society right now in this hype wave is that everything is getting much worse, and sickeningly so.
Several more pieces need to be added to the puzzle to make "AI" tech more useful, and I'm also simply opposed to a direction in society that dismisses and devalues creative endeavors, which a lot of this hype is putting at the center of itself. Creativity is what makes life largely worthwhile. I'm not willing to give that up.
I have no problem with OpenImageDenoiser in Blender, which speeds up renders through machine learning, and in no way devalues creativity. But something which made it so I just typed a few words into Blender and it did all my artwork for me, I would oppose.
@_elena @timnitGebru @emilymbender @alexhanna @DAIR @jaredwhite @tante
This is why it's so important to specify things like generative-AI. AI on its own is a meaningless nothing-word with how much it's shoved in everywhere and anywhere. Yeah, faster denoising with machine learning is great! But a slop machine that pollutes the environment and steals people's jobs and work for the purpose of deceiving others for capitalistic gain? Not so great.
I love the AI that detects cancers better than doctors can, I love the AIs that automatically remove pauses from audio recordings, and I love the AI that automates boring, tedious sh!t that humans hate doing such as spreadsheet organizing. I just fucking hate generative-AI specifically.
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@hikingdude @_elena You don't need to spend any time defending the billion dollar industry that has a laundry list of horrible things attached to it, war, theft, scamming, even if its made it easier to do some small little thing for you.
Hopefully at some point you see why its such a weird thing to go out of your way to post as a reply to her.@Justin @_elena
I am a big opponent of hype and slop and misuse - but I'm a realist and expect that the technology won't go away. No matter wether I like it or not.So I don't regard it weird at all.
But if you want me to take a position to be either a proponent OR opponent - well then I have to disappoint.
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@_elena @timnitGebru @emilymbender @alexhanna @DAIR @cwebber @jaredwhite @tante He’s not in the Fediverse I think but I love his takes on all stories AI: https://pivot-to-ai.com/rss/
@grosser_mensch David Gerard? He is here! @davidgerard
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Dear Fedi friends,
I'd like to put together a list of people who are publicly resisting / calling out LLMs and AI slop.
Why? I enjoy reading my Fediverse feed in topical lists and I need something to counteract the unrelenting AI hype I see in the media.
Do you have any recommendations?
So far, at the top of my list I have:
@timnitGebru @emilymbender and @alexhanna of @DAIR
plus @cwebber @jaredwhite and @tante
Anyone else to recommend who advocates for #NoAI?
@_elena Most (maybe all?) of my writing on my blog this year has been in response to tech-industry's harms in pushing LLMs.
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@jwildeboer @blainsmith @_elena @jan do you know how to get the compiler to produce working executables on the Underwood Portable?
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@_elena @timnitGebru @emilymbender @alexhanna @DAIR @cwebber @jaredwhite @tante not sure if this counts, but I am adamantly #NoAI! all of my videos on @groupnebula563@cuddly.tube are proudly AI-free and my https://hit-counter.net project won’t provide counters to sites containing AI content!
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@riley @_elena @timnitGebru @emilymbender @alexhanna @DAIR @cwebber @jaredwhite @tante @groupnebula563@cuddly.tube oh, absolutely! I’ve already reblogged that, even
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Dear Fedi friends,
I'd like to put together a list of people who are publicly resisting / calling out LLMs and AI slop.
Why? I enjoy reading my Fediverse feed in topical lists and I need something to counteract the unrelenting AI hype I see in the media.
Do you have any recommendations?
So far, at the top of my list I have:
@timnitGebru @emilymbender and @alexhanna of @DAIR
plus @cwebber @jaredwhite and @tante
Anyone else to recommend who advocates for #NoAI?
@_elena It's not very popular but I use the hashtag #ButlerianJihad.
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@davidrevoy @_elena @kawunngg
all of the big models are trained on Reddit so I don´t think additional tarpits are needen -
@Justin @_elena
I am a big opponent of hype and slop and misuse - but I'm a realist and expect that the technology won't go away. No matter wether I like it or not.So I don't regard it weird at all.
But if you want me to take a position to be either a proponent OR opponent - well then I have to disappoint.
@hikingdude @_elena you are literally indistinguishable from any other slop proponent. Centrism for AI. Not all AI, this argument is so so so old its almost funny.
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@_elena I wish we'd have CW for both sides, because I really don't want to hear more from either. Enough has been said to make up minds, and now it just seems like an infinite echo that is slowly driving me mad.
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@_elena While I don't feel that I belong on such a list, I resist as much and as often as I can.
@andycarolan @_elena Same. I’m not as prolific with my anti-AI position as some that you’ve mentioned but my thoughts and feelings have definitely been made known. Here’s my canonical stance on AI here —> https://shellsharks.com/ai. TL;DR: I don’t like AI 🤭
Some other suggestions off the top of my head…
- @WeirdWriter (I mean have you read THIS yet? https://sightlessscribbles.com/posts/the-colonization-of-confidence/)
- @mttaggart
- @32x33
- @bagder (well he’s had his AI run-ins
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- @robb
- @joxean
- @brennan
- @neurovagrant
- @Viss -
@_elena @timnitGebru @emilymbender @alexhanna @DAIR @jaredwhite @tante I also just add a little assertion that one other thing I hate about this moment of "AI" is that the field of "AI" has had many interesting branches in it, and now we only talk about one (machine learning models) and I am deeply bitter about that.
@cwebber
There are many scientific and technological realms where AI is able to massage large volumes of data quickly to find solutions to all kinds of problems. This is good. Using AI to make deepfake porn, not so much. If only there were a way to promote one without the other latching on.@_elena @timnitGebru @emilymbender @alexhanna @DAIR @jaredwhite @tante
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Dear Fedi friends,
I'd like to put together a list of people who are publicly resisting / calling out LLMs and AI slop.
Why? I enjoy reading my Fediverse feed in topical lists and I need something to counteract the unrelenting AI hype I see in the media.
Do you have any recommendations?
So far, at the top of my list I have:
@timnitGebru @emilymbender and @alexhanna of @DAIR
plus @cwebber @jaredwhite and @tante
Anyone else to recommend who advocates for #NoAI?
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@andycarolan @_elena Same. I’m not as prolific with my anti-AI position as some that you’ve mentioned but my thoughts and feelings have definitely been made known. Here’s my canonical stance on AI here —> https://shellsharks.com/ai. TL;DR: I don’t like AI 🤭
Some other suggestions off the top of my head…
- @WeirdWriter (I mean have you read THIS yet? https://sightlessscribbles.com/posts/the-colonization-of-confidence/)
- @mttaggart
- @32x33
- @bagder (well he’s had his AI run-ins)
- @robb
- @joxean
- @brennan
- @neurovagrant
- @Viss@shellsharks Thanks for the list of people! That's awesome. I think your position on AI is similar to mine. I did once have an /ai slashpage, but I removed it as I have a single line in my FAQ page, but I might rewrite that to better explain my thoughts. @_elena @WeirdWriter @mttaggart @32x33 @bagder @robb @joxean @brennan @neurovagrant @Viss
