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  • citadel9@cyberplace.socialC citadel9@cyberplace.social

    @JdeBP @Floppy Does everyone need to be involved in politics in the first place?

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    #19

    @citadel9 @JdeBP @Floppy
    Everyone is involved in politics by virtue of living in a society.

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    • floppy@mastodon.me.ukF floppy@mastodon.me.uk

      Modern Dependency Problems (with apologies and thanks to XKCD)

      Probably needs more arrows, tbh

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      #20

      @Floppy ok, so you have certain percentage of fascist-made-but-still-free-code, which you can fork.

      But with corporate infrastructure, fsscists can take over everything and you have no longer right to fork.

      As long as it is free and open source, it is just that you are perphaps using something made by someone who turned out to be asshole later, but it works and will work. With true fascists, you are inside concentration camp and has to subdue to whatever the camp fuhrer tells you to do.

      However you may dislike this, fascism is a system: system of hierarchy, control and power. Something like "standalone fascist" is nonsense. Someone with stupid behaviour and ideas, if not organized, is just asshole, not "fascist".

      Fascism is working, deadly social machinery - not individual psychiv disorder.

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      • kfdm@social.tsun.coK kfdm@social.tsun.co

        @Floppy I wish I could downvote this, but the frequency in which this has been happening lately is very sad. I mourn being able to (naively) believe that tech was more altruistic than this 😢

        Even worse somehow is the hill that people are willing to die on. Sure, it's painful to our pride to admit mistakes, but are we all so bad at learning how to empathize and improve 😭

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        #21

        @kfdm @Floppy this doesn't surprise me at all 😕

        Give a person a platform and they will open their mouth.

        It's well known engineers are way overrepresented in extremist circles, as islamic and right wing terrorists...

        I reckon it has something to do with black and white thinking. And maybe lack of humanities in education...

        https://goodauthority.org/news/this-new-book-explains-why-so-many-islamist-extremists-have-studied-engineering/

        #politics

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        • A andydearden@mastodon.green

          @citadel9 @JdeBP @Floppy we are all involved in politics. It's just that some people put time and energy into thinking about how to be involved in politics.

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          #22

          @AndyDearden @citadel9 @JdeBP @Floppy
          Life is political

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          • floppy@mastodon.me.ukF floppy@mastodon.me.uk

            Modern Dependency Problems (with apologies and thanks to XKCD)

            Probably needs more arrows, tbh

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            #23

            @Floppy Maybe we shouldn't use projects that are led

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            • citadel9@cyberplace.socialC citadel9@cyberplace.social

              @JdeBP @Floppy Does everyone need to be involved in politics in the first place?

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              #24

              @citadel9@cyberplace.social @JdeBP@mastodon.me.uk @Floppy@mastodon.me.uk I mean, everyone developing software is involved in politics by default.

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              • floppy@mastodon.me.ukF floppy@mastodon.me.uk

                Modern Dependency Problems (with apologies and thanks to XKCD)

                Probably needs more arrows, tbh

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                #25

                @Floppy yeah, review thier code closely - 🤢

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                • floppy@mastodon.me.ukF floppy@mastodon.me.uk

                  Modern Dependency Problems (with apologies and thanks to XKCD)

                  Probably needs more arrows, tbh

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                  #26

                  @Floppy
                  Did the xz utils guy turn out to be fascist? Did I miss something? If not, then sorry, but that one random person in Nebraska still remains among all the assholes building upon his/her work to enslave all of us.

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                  • vvilhelmus@mastodon.socialV vvilhelmus@mastodon.social

                    @Floppy
                    Isn't putting labels on contributors fascism in itself?

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                    #27

                    @vvilhelmus @Floppy what 😭

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                    • janvenetor@mastodontti.fiJ janvenetor@mastodontti.fi

                      @kfdm @Floppy this doesn't surprise me at all 😕

                      Give a person a platform and they will open their mouth.

                      It's well known engineers are way overrepresented in extremist circles, as islamic and right wing terrorists...

                      I reckon it has something to do with black and white thinking. And maybe lack of humanities in education...

                      https://goodauthority.org/news/this-new-book-explains-why-so-many-islamist-extremists-have-studied-engineering/

                      #politics

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                      #28

                      @janvenetor @kfdm @Floppy no, it has to do with desirable (for the extremists) practical skills like blowing things up. Blowing hot air isn’t anywhere as valuable as humanities types believe.

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                      • hjvt@hachyderm.ioH hjvt@hachyderm.io

                        @citadel9 @JdeBP @Floppy
                        Everyone is involved in politics by virtue of living in a society.

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                        #29

                        @hjvt @citadel9 @JdeBP @Floppy … despite some selfish politician back in the day saying there is no such thing as society.

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                        • fazalmajid@social.vivaldi.netF fazalmajid@social.vivaldi.net

                          @janvenetor @kfdm @Floppy no, it has to do with desirable (for the extremists) practical skills like blowing things up. Blowing hot air isn’t anywhere as valuable as humanities types believe.

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                          #30

                          @fazalmajid @kfdm @Floppy see the linked book, skills do not factor in it per the research.

                          "We find that engineers are no more likely than other graduates to cover technical roles, such as bomb making [...] What engineers learn at university is unlikely to make them more practically proficient at bomb making than former military or car mechanics. [...] many non-Islamist extremist groups have been skillful at bomb making without engineers in their ranks."

                          #politics

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                          • citadel9@cyberplace.socialC citadel9@cyberplace.social

                            @JdeBP @Floppy Does everyone need to be involved in politics in the first place?

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                            #31
                            @citadel9 @JdeBP @Floppy Everybody is involved in politics in the first place. It mostly boils down to which side of the coin you're falling on. Some people delude themselves thinking they can stand on the side of the coin.
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                            • floppy@mastodon.me.ukF floppy@mastodon.me.uk

                              Modern Dependency Problems (with apologies and thanks to XKCD)

                              Probably needs more arrows, tbh

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                              #32

                              @Floppy@mastodon.me.uk I feel like this needlessly inflates how many fascists there actually are. every time someone is revealed to be a fascist, it’s a whole news story - because it’s relatively rare.

                              But because you hear about every fascist who happens to maintain or lead something, they seems a lot more than the thousands of people who aren’t fascist, who are just quietly maintaining something without fanfare or big red alerts.

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                              • floppy@mastodon.me.ukF floppy@mastodon.me.uk

                                Modern Dependency Problems (with apologies and thanks to XKCD)

                                Probably needs more arrows, tbh

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                                #33

                                @Floppy Fascism attracts people, because of deceptive beauty, order, and masculinity.

                                If only demonized, we won’t take away its power to destroy.

                                I believe label Fascism was created first by outside press in response to Mussolini, not him nor his predecessors.

                                Fasces is the key to understand Mussolini.

                                He saw Roman militarism as the socialist unifier, which was influenced in part due to his exclusion from internationalist privileged circles & ironically British financiers.

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                                • fluidlogic@oldbytes.spaceF fluidlogic@oldbytes.space

                                  @JdeBP @Floppy what's worse, a fascist or a cryptofascist?

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                                  #34

                                  @fluidlogic @JdeBP @Floppy at least the fascist doesn't try to hawk you some crypto, right?

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                                  • gustavommg@mastodon.socialG gustavommg@mastodon.social

                                    @Floppy Fascism attracts people, because of deceptive beauty, order, and masculinity.

                                    If only demonized, we won’t take away its power to destroy.

                                    I believe label Fascism was created first by outside press in response to Mussolini, not him nor his predecessors.

                                    Fasces is the key to understand Mussolini.

                                    He saw Roman militarism as the socialist unifier, which was influenced in part due to his exclusion from internationalist privileged circles & ironically British financiers.

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                                    #35

                                    @Floppy To be clear, fascism is deceptive. It destroys beauty, order, and masculinity.

                                    It places war and other forms of violence as its highest ideal, because of poorly informed history.

                                    With this as its main attribute, it destroys itself or destroyed by its copies. That’s not how the world works, because it exists, creates, and sustains.

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                                    • normjess@tech.lgbtN normjess@tech.lgbt

                                      @fluidlogic @JdeBP @Floppy at least the fascist doesn't try to hawk you some crypto, right?

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                                      #36

                                      @normjess @JdeBP @Floppy oh God, you joke, and yet...

                                      https://www.upress.umn.edu/9781517901806/the-politics-of-bitcoin/

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                                      • fluidlogic@oldbytes.spaceF fluidlogic@oldbytes.space

                                        @normjess @JdeBP @Floppy oh God, you joke, and yet...

                                        https://www.upress.umn.edu/9781517901806/the-politics-of-bitcoin/

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                                        #37

                                        @fluidlogic @JdeBP @Floppy
                                        cryptofascists!
                                        crypto cryptofascists!
                                        cryptocrypto cryptofascists!

                                        nooo!!

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                                        • normjess@tech.lgbtN normjess@tech.lgbt

                                          @fluidlogic @JdeBP @Floppy
                                          cryptofascists!
                                          crypto cryptofascists!
                                          cryptocrypto cryptofascists!

                                          nooo!!

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                                          #38

                                          @normjess @JdeBP @Floppy it's fascists all the way down, you see.

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