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  • slothrop@chaos.socialS slothrop@chaos.social

    @solonovamax @nileane @gotofritz sure. But the reputational risk remains with the company - Proton, in this case.

    Managing your brand image has costs. So does not managing your brand image.

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    #140

    @slothrop @nileane @gotofritz I am not saying they shouldn't terminate any agreement and come out with a post saying they don't support this or anything

    just attempting to explain how it could have happened in the first place

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    • slothrop@chaos.socialS slothrop@chaos.social

      RE: https://nileane.fr/@nileane/116704285750838861

      If you’re still using Proton mail:

      The company is sponsoring the videos of French far-right / fascist YouTuber Vincent Lapierre.

      If encryption is part of your vision for a better society, find a better service provider.

      UPDATE 2026-06-08: Response from Proton. This comes after mods apparently deleted lots of critical posts in r/ProtonMail.

      https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/1u05xs2/comment/oqgihvq/

      #proton #fash

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      #141
      I was already suspicious of Proton being far-right with their support for Republicans, this proves it further.
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      • mason@partychickens.netM mason@partychickens.net

        @woozle @benroyce @draNgNon @alice @slothrop That's a fantastic idea, yes! My only caution there is that if it sets stuff up rather than just suggesting configs and then vetting them, it's worth having it generate before-and-after records of what it found and how it changed things. I'm thinking that either it's a complete hands-off appliance *or* they're going to have to be comfortable sysadminning it.

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        #142

        @mason @benroyce @draNgNon @alice @slothrop

        My preferred style is "here are all the options, but you don't have to change anything if you're fine with the defaults" -- kind of like MediaWiki's web-based setup.

        ...and then a UI which makes it easier to do changes later, once you know more about what you want.

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        • troed@swecyb.comT troed@swecyb.com

          @drsbaitso

          "they had some bullshit around vocally supporting Trump and the christofascist GOP"

          No, that's not at all what happened - but the truth isn't as juicy as hate campaigns.

          @alice @slothrop

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          #143

          @troed

          Having reviewed the entirety of your attached evidence I've come to the inevitable conclusion that you've also probably got some bullshit around vocally supporting Trump and the christofascist GOP, and your opinion is worth less than I've paid for it.

          @alice @slothrop

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          • slothrop@chaos.socialS slothrop@chaos.social

            RE: https://nileane.fr/@nileane/116704285750838861

            If you’re still using Proton mail:

            The company is sponsoring the videos of French far-right / fascist YouTuber Vincent Lapierre.

            If encryption is part of your vision for a better society, find a better service provider.

            UPDATE 2026-06-08: Response from Proton. This comes after mods apparently deleted lots of critical posts in r/ProtonMail.

            https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/1u05xs2/comment/oqgihvq/

            #proton #fash

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            #144

            @slothrop
            Companies like Proton sponsor creators across the political spectrum not because they agree with those creators, but because they're businesses and they're trying to get more customers. I saw Matt Walsh shilling for NordVPN. Does that mean I shouldn't use NordVPN? This insistence on absolute ideological purity that some people on the left engage in is just silly and counter-productive. And for the record, I'm pretty far left myself.

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            • drsbaitso@infosec.exchangeD drsbaitso@infosec.exchange

              @troed

              Having reviewed the entirety of your attached evidence I've come to the inevitable conclusion that you've also probably got some bullshit around vocally supporting Trump and the christofascist GOP, and your opinion is worth less than I've paid for it.

              @alice @slothrop

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              #145

              @drsbaitso

              "you've also probably got some bullshit around vocally supporting Trump and the christofascist GOP,"

              You seem to be quite unwell. I hope you get better.

              @alice @slothrop

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              • troed@swecyb.comT This user is from outside of this forum
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                #146

                @alice

                Andy was, literally, commenting on that a specific person had previously been a proponent for small tech vs big tech which he saw as a good thing.

                That's all. That's all it was.

                @drsbaitso @slothrop

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                • lukeharby@infosec.exchangeL lukeharby@infosec.exchange

                  @slothrop Lol. I went to Proton cos of how bad Google are (Swiss, developed by CERN, etc). Who is a decent email provider these days, or do they start out with good intentions and get corrupted?

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                  #147

                  @lukeharby

                  Proton is that decent provider. The hate campaign you're seeing here is mostly just people who seem to have issues with reading comprehension in general.

                  @slothrop

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                  • slothrop@chaos.socialS slothrop@chaos.social

                    RE: https://nileane.fr/@nileane/116704285750838861

                    If you’re still using Proton mail:

                    The company is sponsoring the videos of French far-right / fascist YouTuber Vincent Lapierre.

                    If encryption is part of your vision for a better society, find a better service provider.

                    UPDATE 2026-06-08: Response from Proton. This comes after mods apparently deleted lots of critical posts in r/ProtonMail.

                    https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/1u05xs2/comment/oqgihvq/

                    #proton #fash

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                    #148

                    @slothrop ah fuck we wanted to drop them a while ago but still haven't moved everything from it

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                    • troed@swecyb.comT This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #149

                      @Infoseepage

                      Your fallacy is believing that your culture is the only one in the world. '88' is a nazi dogwhistle in the west since a few decades back - but it means "double fortune" and is part of asian numerology for thousands of years.

                      Don't be stupid on the Internet.

                      @gotofritz @gatogatogato @slothrop

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                      • troed@swecyb.comT This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #150

                        @Infoseepage

                        He's asian.

                        Since you didn't read it the last time: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_numerology#Eight

                        @gotofritz @gatogatogato @slothrop

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                        • troed@swecyb.comT This user is from outside of this forum
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                          #151

                          @Infoseepage

                          Now you're just making stuff up. It's your choice to act like an idiot but people like you are why great organisations _don't_ want to keep a presence on Mastodon.

                          @gotofritz @gatogatogato @slothrop

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                          • elexia@catcatnya.comE elexia@catcatnya.com

                            @slothrop ah fuck we wanted to drop them a while ago but still haven't moved everything from it

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                            #152

                            @slothrop well this is our cue to get this done ASAP

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                            • troed@swecyb.comT This user is from outside of this forum
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                              #153

                              @Infoseepage

                              Your inability to understand other cultures only says something about you - not them.

                              Here - have a Swedish icecream: https://handla.ica.se/produkt/1466620

                              @gotofritz @gatogatogato @slothrop

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                              • troed@swecyb.comT This user is from outside of this forum
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                                #154

                                @Infoseepage

                                No, you're making stuff up because it's apparently important for you to act like an ass towards Proton.

                                Occam's razor is pretty clear on an asian person using the number 88 and you claiming it must have something to do with nazi dogwhistles.

                                And no, an affiliate program is not sponsorship. And no, Andy saying that a single person in Trump's previous cabinet had a history of supporting small tech vs big tech was not a "Trump endorsement" and all the other conspiracy theories you managed to drag up in this thread.

                                https://medium.com/@ovenplayer/does-proton-really-support-trump-a-deeper-analysis-and-surprising-findings-aed4fee4305e

                                @gotofritz @gatogatogato @slothrop

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                                • troed@swecyb.comT troed@swecyb.com

                                  @drsbaitso

                                  "you've also probably got some bullshit around vocally supporting Trump and the christofascist GOP,"

                                  You seem to be quite unwell. I hope you get better.

                                  @alice @slothrop

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                                  #155

                                  @troed That ain't a denial, and I'm not the one defending the defenders of the Cavalcade of Incompetence here.

                                  If the hood fits...

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                                  • slothrop@chaos.socialS slothrop@chaos.social

                                    RE: https://nileane.fr/@nileane/116704285750838861

                                    If you’re still using Proton mail:

                                    The company is sponsoring the videos of French far-right / fascist YouTuber Vincent Lapierre.

                                    If encryption is part of your vision for a better society, find a better service provider.

                                    UPDATE 2026-06-08: Response from Proton. This comes after mods apparently deleted lots of critical posts in r/ProtonMail.

                                    https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/1u05xs2/comment/oqgihvq/

                                    #proton #fash

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                                    wrote sidst redigeret af
                                    #156

                                    RE: https://toot.cafe/@chartier/116714648918327920

                                    The Reddit post linked in this toot has some additional info.

                                    tl;dr: it’s as bad as it looks.

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                                    • troed@swecyb.comT troed@swecyb.com

                                      @Infoseepage

                                      No, you're making stuff up because it's apparently important for you to act like an ass towards Proton.

                                      Occam's razor is pretty clear on an asian person using the number 88 and you claiming it must have something to do with nazi dogwhistles.

                                      And no, an affiliate program is not sponsorship. And no, Andy saying that a single person in Trump's previous cabinet had a history of supporting small tech vs big tech was not a "Trump endorsement" and all the other conspiracy theories you managed to drag up in this thread.

                                      https://medium.com/@ovenplayer/does-proton-really-support-trump-a-deeper-analysis-and-surprising-findings-aed4fee4305e

                                      @gotofritz @gatogatogato @slothrop

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                                      #157

                                      @troed @Infoseepage @gotofritz @slothrop So by staying with Proton as a paing customer doesn't mean my money ends up funding neofascists? Because that is really not what I want. But to be honest, as a working father of a 2yo I really lack the time and motiviation of migrating all my accounts again.

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                                      • gatogatogato@ohai.socialG gatogatogato@ohai.social

                                        @troed @Infoseepage @gotofritz @slothrop So by staying with Proton as a paing customer doesn't mean my money ends up funding neofascists? Because that is really not what I want. But to be honest, as a working father of a 2yo I really lack the time and motiviation of migrating all my accounts again.

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                                        wrote sidst redigeret af
                                        #158

                                        @gatogatogato

                                        Correct, there's absolutely nothing even fash-adjacent with Proton.

                                        (I'm a Visionary customer of Proton's - and I'm as opposite to authoritarian as can possibly be. They're doing good stuff with my money)

                                        @Infoseepage @gotofritz @slothrop

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                                        • slothrop@chaos.socialS slothrop@chaos.social

                                          RE: https://nileane.fr/@nileane/116704285750838861

                                          If you’re still using Proton mail:

                                          The company is sponsoring the videos of French far-right / fascist YouTuber Vincent Lapierre.

                                          If encryption is part of your vision for a better society, find a better service provider.

                                          UPDATE 2026-06-08: Response from Proton. This comes after mods apparently deleted lots of critical posts in r/ProtonMail.

                                          https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/1u05xs2/comment/oqgihvq/

                                          #proton #fash

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                                          wrote sidst redigeret af
                                          #159

                                          @slothrop

                                          Context from Proton: https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/1u05xs2/comment/oqgihvq/

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