It's difficult to imagine that Linux Foundation, which has a branch called "Agentic AI foundation", platinum-sponsored by Anthropic, Google and OpenAI, would not be acting in the interests of the said platinum members.
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For clarity: this isn't an accusation of being unethical, it's a mention of a conflict of interests between the Foundation and the interests of humans (not corporations) the Foundation is supposed to serve as per their own mission ("The Linux Foundation is a neutral, trusted hub for developers and organizations to code, manage, and scale open technology projects and ecosystems.")
Also yikes they have slop images on their main website.
@nina_kali_nina basically all nonprofits are coopted in this way. It's a huge problem in the environmental space, too
If the foundation's mission is at odds with corporate interests, then the corporations will use funding as leverage to dampen their impact.
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@peterrenshaw @nina_kali_nina most kernel releases are not LTS
@mxey ta, I didn’t know that. @nina_kali_nina
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Outside of (the mostly non-developer) people on Mastodon there's no real discussion on whether LLMs are useful for software developer/cybersec etc or not. We (senior greybeards not influenced by whatever crap cloud AI mongers try to sell) simply use it where it brings benefits.
Torvalds too.
@troed @simon_brooke This completely ignores the ethical implications of the LLM usage.
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@stuartl Sorry
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@nina_kali_nina Oh, tech folks have been denying that Mozilla, which exists due to half a billion dollars from Google a year, would in any way be influenced by such money for years. Those of us that called it out were called conspiracy theorists.
Same shit, different day.
@aral Yeah
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@troed @simon_brooke This completely ignores the ethical implications of the LLM usage.
@nina_kali_nina Or we simply don't agree with those claims?
Most discussions I've had here with anti-AI fanatics show them to be as knowledgeable on the subject as "I've done my own research" anti vaxxers are about vaccines.
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For clarity: this isn't an accusation of being unethical, it's a mention of a conflict of interests between the Foundation and the interests of humans (not corporations) the Foundation is supposed to serve as per their own mission ("The Linux Foundation is a neutral, trusted hub for developers and organizations to code, manage, and scale open technology projects and ecosystems.")
Also yikes they have slop images on their main website.
@nina_kali_nina As they like to say in the genAI world, this is an alignment problem — what’s in the interest of large corps is most definitely [edit] **not** in the interest of regular users/people; except by chance or temporary. I think it *is* an ethical issue but I don’t think Linux Foundation board sees it this way (evidently).
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@simon_brooke @nina_kali_nina Torvalds is in on all of this. He's a techbro grifter who has sold off whatever morals he had to the aforementioned platinum sponsors.
@ariarhythmic @simon_brooke @nina_kali_nina @zzt A 1.5 million salary p.a. will do that to people.
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Outside of (the mostly non-developer) people on Mastodon there's no real discussion on whether LLMs are useful for software developer/cybersec etc or not. We (senior greybeards not influenced by whatever crap cloud AI mongers try to sell) simply use it where it brings benefits.
Torvalds too.
@troed @simon_brooke @nina_kali_nina
I don't agree with that characterisation at all.
I'm one of many developers who interact with this technology daily and find it wanting. I have to use it if I want to keep my job because management believe the marketing, but I am aghast at the prospect of supporting the stuff we're slopping out over the long term. Based on evaluating and understanding the output.Our work is bullshit anyway but I would never use it for something critical.
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@nina_kali_nina as a matter of interest, who has rights over the use of the name 'Linux'?
@simon_brooke @nina_kali_nina Torvalds
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@troed @simon_brooke @nina_kali_nina
I don't agree with that characterisation at all.
I'm one of many developers who interact with this technology daily and find it wanting. I have to use it if I want to keep my job because management believe the marketing, but I am aghast at the prospect of supporting the stuff we're slopping out over the long term. Based on evaluating and understanding the output.Our work is bullshit anyway but I would never use it for something critical.
Obviously it's not the right tool for what you're doing if you have to be forced to use it.
I don't have to use it - I do so because I tried and realized it was useful. I don't know a single developer forced to use it actually. All the other greybeards in my circles have come to the conclusion that LLMs are useful on their own volition.
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Outside of (the mostly non-developer) people on Mastodon there's no real discussion on whether LLMs are useful for software developer/cybersec etc or not. We (senior greybeards not influenced by whatever crap cloud AI mongers try to sell) simply use it where it brings benefits.
Torvalds too.
@troed @simon_brooke @nina_kali_nina @torvalds oh yes sure your bunch never had ethics to begin with.
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@troed @simon_brooke @nina_kali_nina @torvalds oh yes sure your bunch never had ethics to begin with.
I'm sure you need to tell yourself that rather than face cognitive dissonance. Or, you know, you put my globally unique name into a search engine and challenge your belief regarding my ethics.
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@nina_kali_nina Or we simply don't agree with those claims?
Most discussions I've had here with anti-AI fanatics show them to be as knowledgeable on the subject as "I've done my own research" anti vaxxers are about vaccines.
@troed @nina_kali_nina @simon_brooke trained unethical/illegal. Waste of limited resources. Utterly unsustainable but that's too hard to understand for you it seems.
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@troed @nina_kali_nina @simon_brooke trained unethical/illegal. Waste of limited resources. Utterly unsustainable but that's too hard to understand for you it seems.
️@TheOneDoc You just proved my point.
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Obviously it's not the right tool for what you're doing if you have to be forced to use it.
I don't have to use it - I do so because I tried and realized it was useful. I don't know a single developer forced to use it actually. All the other greybeards in my circles have come to the conclusion that LLMs are useful on their own volition.
@troed @simon_brooke @nina_kali_nina
That's nice, I know plenty of experienced folks who think it's a pile of shite and an accident waiting to happen, before they even get to the theft, DDOSing half the internet, ignoring software license (another timebomb)
And that it can have some use isn't the question, it's whether it's a net benefit, whether the dangers posed are harms caused are worth it.
"I find it useful". Ok, but that's not what's being discussed. I like ice cream.
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@troed @simon_brooke @nina_kali_nina
That's nice, I know plenty of experienced folks who think it's a pile of shite and an accident waiting to happen, before they even get to the theft, DDOSing half the internet, ignoring software license (another timebomb)
And that it can have some use isn't the question, it's whether it's a net benefit, whether the dangers posed are harms caused are worth it.
"I find it useful". Ok, but that's not what's being discussed. I like ice cream.
Or, you know, the contents of your post are simply not true.
You sound exactly like an antivaxxer does to someone who knows medicine.
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