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  • natasha_jay@tech.lgbtN natasha_jay@tech.lgbt

    The wisdom of Calvin ...

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    #4

    @Natasha_Jay I had just about this exact conversation with my grandpa—sitting on his lap—when I was Calvin's age. But in my story he said "I have no idea" and then started to cry.

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    • natasha_jay@tech.lgbtN natasha_jay@tech.lgbt

      The wisdom of Calvin ...

      gemlog@tilde.zoneG This user is from outside of this forum
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      #5

      @Natasha_Jay Wrong question.
      Why do we allow wars against normal people, so that psychopaths may enrich themselves?

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      • gemlog@tilde.zoneG gemlog@tilde.zone

        @Natasha_Jay Wrong question.
        Why do we allow wars against normal people, so that psychopaths may enrich themselves?

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        #6

        @gemlog @Natasha_Jay not wrong but childish, naïve... only at first

        Thanks for the adult (and psychophobic?) reformulation yet, you're still right also

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        • gwcoffey@mastodon.socialG gwcoffey@mastodon.social

          @Natasha_Jay I had just about this exact conversation with my grandpa—sitting on his lap—when I was Calvin's age. But in my story he said "I have no idea" and then started to cry.

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          #7

          @gwcoffey so do i 😭

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          • amans@piaille.frA amans@piaille.fr

            @gemlog @Natasha_Jay not wrong but childish, naïve... only at first

            Thanks for the adult (and psychophobic?) reformulation yet, you're still right also

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            #8

            @amans
            OK. Go on... about 'psychophobic formulation' I'm interested.
            I don't dislike psychology at all.
            Or studies of the mind. Or... not sure what you meant there.
            I was thinking about people who lack empathy whom we mostly refer to as, interchangeably, psychopaths or sociopaths - I'm not aware of a difference, but I'm willing to learn.
            French is ok for reply as I'm trying to learn to read (but I'll likely have to use yandex, because this is a complex topic and I lack vocabulary) - but please still do write in the french if it pleases you.

            @Natasha_Jay

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            • gemlog@tilde.zoneG gemlog@tilde.zone

              @amans
              OK. Go on... about 'psychophobic formulation' I'm interested.
              I don't dislike psychology at all.
              Or studies of the mind. Or... not sure what you meant there.
              I was thinking about people who lack empathy whom we mostly refer to as, interchangeably, psychopaths or sociopaths - I'm not aware of a difference, but I'm willing to learn.
              French is ok for reply as I'm trying to learn to read (but I'll likely have to use yandex, because this is a complex topic and I lack vocabulary) - but please still do write in the french if it pleases you.

              @Natasha_Jay

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              #9

              @gemlog joyfully, and more easily in french yes

              Le français se prête bien à ce genre d'arguties en plus concernant les oppressions.
              La parenthèse "psychophobique", c'était lié à la prudence que j'ai avec le langage "santé mentale", les personnes qui souffrent de tel ou tel syndrome, l'usage normatif de la norme etc. : le validisme est jamais loin, même si rarement intentionnel.

              Je suis d'accord avec l'idée selon laquelle les gens qui dirigent ce monde manquent terriblement d'empathie, et qu'on peut appeler ça "fou" dans un langage quotidien. Si on veut des catégories + précises, sociopathe est peut-être + juste que psychopathe comme ... 1/2

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              • amans@piaille.frA amans@piaille.fr

                @gemlog joyfully, and more easily in french yes

                Le français se prête bien à ce genre d'arguties en plus concernant les oppressions.
                La parenthèse "psychophobique", c'était lié à la prudence que j'ai avec le langage "santé mentale", les personnes qui souffrent de tel ou tel syndrome, l'usage normatif de la norme etc. : le validisme est jamais loin, même si rarement intentionnel.

                Je suis d'accord avec l'idée selon laquelle les gens qui dirigent ce monde manquent terriblement d'empathie, et qu'on peut appeler ça "fou" dans un langage quotidien. Si on veut des catégories + précises, sociopathe est peut-être + juste que psychopathe comme ... 1/2

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                #10

                @gemlog diagnostic à l'arrache (en français on dit "psychologie de comptoir" mais ça marche pour le réseau social 🙂)

                Dans votre message si je pinaille, je trouverais plutôt de l'adultisme ("wrong") que du validisme et encore une fois j'aime plutôt bien l'idée qu'y a dans votre reformulation, en substance

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                • amans@piaille.frA amans@piaille.fr

                  @gemlog joyfully, and more easily in french yes

                  Le français se prête bien à ce genre d'arguties en plus concernant les oppressions.
                  La parenthèse "psychophobique", c'était lié à la prudence que j'ai avec le langage "santé mentale", les personnes qui souffrent de tel ou tel syndrome, l'usage normatif de la norme etc. : le validisme est jamais loin, même si rarement intentionnel.

                  Je suis d'accord avec l'idée selon laquelle les gens qui dirigent ce monde manquent terriblement d'empathie, et qu'on peut appeler ça "fou" dans un langage quotidien. Si on veut des catégories + précises, sociopathe est peut-être + juste que psychopathe comme ... 1/2

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                  #11

                  @amans Yes, we are in accord. I must reply you in english, but please keep your language to the french. This is my fault, sorry.
                  About mental health, I think we must admit that some forms of dysfunction of the mind and thinking are curable, treatable and other forms are not?
                  I know there is a kind of taboo about mental health in all countries - some more than others.
                  Encore une fois, veuillez répondre en français.
                  This is a fun discussion for me - thank you so much! 🙂

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                  • natasha_jay@tech.lgbtN natasha_jay@tech.lgbt

                    The wisdom of Calvin ...

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                    #12

                    @Natasha_Jay does not feel like the original panel

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                    • amans@piaille.frA amans@piaille.fr

                      @gemlog diagnostic à l'arrache (en français on dit "psychologie de comptoir" mais ça marche pour le réseau social 🙂)

                      Dans votre message si je pinaille, je trouverais plutôt de l'adultisme ("wrong") que du validisme et encore une fois j'aime plutôt bien l'idée qu'y a dans votre reformulation, en substance

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                      #13

                      @amans

                      l'adultisme ("wrong") que du validisme

                      I am not familar with those terms. I was not picking out different "behaviours" or styles of thinking, but different diseases of the brain.
                      https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sociopathie?useskin=vector
                      Congenital.

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                      • gemlog@tilde.zoneG gemlog@tilde.zone

                        @amans

                        l'adultisme ("wrong") que du validisme

                        I am not familar with those terms. I was not picking out different "behaviours" or styles of thinking, but different diseases of the brain.
                        https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sociopathie?useskin=vector
                        Congenital.

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                        #14

                        @gemlog oui j'avais compris ça ^^

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                        • gemlog@tilde.zoneG gemlog@tilde.zone

                          @amans Yes, we are in accord. I must reply you in english, but please keep your language to the french. This is my fault, sorry.
                          About mental health, I think we must admit that some forms of dysfunction of the mind and thinking are curable, treatable and other forms are not?
                          I know there is a kind of taboo about mental health in all countries - some more than others.
                          Encore une fois, veuillez répondre en français.
                          This is a fun discussion for me - thank you so much! 🙂

                          amans@piaille.frA This user is from outside of this forum
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                          #15

                          @gemlog je ne suis pas d'accord avec l'intégralité de ce que vous énoncez là : pour moi tous les désordres de l'esprit sont curables. Même si souvent ça n'aura pas lieu, théoriquement je crois cela possible

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                          • gemlog@tilde.zoneG gemlog@tilde.zone

                            @amans Yes, we are in accord. I must reply you in english, but please keep your language to the french. This is my fault, sorry.
                            About mental health, I think we must admit that some forms of dysfunction of the mind and thinking are curable, treatable and other forms are not?
                            I know there is a kind of taboo about mental health in all countries - some more than others.
                            Encore une fois, veuillez répondre en français.
                            This is a fun discussion for me - thank you so much! 🙂

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                            amans@piaille.fr
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                            #16

                            @gemlog en d'autres termes, je ne crois pas que la sociopathie soit congénitale. Même si telle affection génétique ou prédisposition peut bien sûr contribuer à des troubles mentaux... Je crois que l'épigénétique et l'apprentissage sont plus significativement engagés à cet endroit

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                            • gemlog@tilde.zoneG gemlog@tilde.zone

                              @amans

                              l'adultisme ("wrong") que du validisme

                              I am not familar with those terms. I was not picking out different "behaviours" or styles of thinking, but different diseases of the brain.
                              https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sociopathie?useskin=vector
                              Congenital.

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                              @gemlog je vous rejoins concernant le tabou qui existent à ces sujets

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                              • amans@piaille.frA amans@piaille.fr

                                @gemlog oui j'avais compris ça ^^

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                                #18

                                @amans OK good! We may get along! 🙂

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                                • amans@piaille.frA amans@piaille.fr

                                  @gemlog je ne suis pas d'accord avec l'intégralité de ce que vous énoncez là : pour moi tous les désordres de l'esprit sont curables. Même si souvent ça n'aura pas lieu, théoriquement je crois cela possible

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                                  #19

                                  @amans Well, we now have a basis for discussion, because I think that there are many brain problems which are not curable, although I agree some errors of thinking or imbalances of chemicals in the brain may be corrected through drugs or talk therapy.

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                                  • amans@piaille.frA amans@piaille.fr

                                    @gemlog en d'autres termes, je ne crois pas que la sociopathie soit congénitale. Même si telle affection génétique ou prédisposition peut bien sûr contribuer à des troubles mentaux... Je crois que l'épigénétique et l'apprentissage sont plus significativement engagés à cet endroit

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                                    @amans I never said it was inherited genetically...
                                    Hmm. Maybe I implied it.
                                    I am open to rethinking this bit.
                                    Now.

                                    Je crois que l'épigénétique et l'apprentissage sont plus significativement engagés à cet endroit

                                    Now you introduce epigenetics! 🙂
                                    I am open to your line of thinking. I am.
                                    I am already suspecting that I am wrong.
                                    But let us remember that I am UTC-8 from you in our deliberations.
                                    I must go to bed soon. It's 23h32 for me and I must work tomorrow - yes, even at my age.
                                    Thank you so much for engaging with me. We will continue more when our time zones match up better. Bonne nuit. Je suis fatigué maintenant. 🫂

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                                    • amans@piaille.frA amans@piaille.fr

                                      @gemlog je vous rejoins concernant le tabou qui existent à ces sujets

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                                      #21

                                      @amans Ah oui. I agree the taboo.
                                      It happens that my work and volunteering brings me in contact with people who have such situations in their lives.
                                      It's not fair how societe thinks.
                                      I know many lovely people who just can't think and work outside of a managed place of living.
                                      I do befriend them.
                                      I also actually work alongside people who live in outpatient psych wards.
                                      These are normal, nice people.
                                      Just with some medical brain issues.
                                      I was not talking about them at the start of our conversation.
                                      I was talking about predator, psychopath, sociopath, greedy bastards like ... fill the blank. You can't fix those with talk therapy or medicines.
                                      Sorry.
                                      I'm getting a bit wound up now thinking about trump, netenyahu, putin and the rest...
                                      I need to get to sleep. It's 23h44.
                                      Sorry.

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                                      • gemlog@tilde.zoneG gemlog@tilde.zone

                                        @amans I never said it was inherited genetically...
                                        Hmm. Maybe I implied it.
                                        I am open to rethinking this bit.
                                        Now.

                                        Je crois que l'épigénétique et l'apprentissage sont plus significativement engagés à cet endroit

                                        Now you introduce epigenetics! 🙂
                                        I am open to your line of thinking. I am.
                                        I am already suspecting that I am wrong.
                                        But let us remember that I am UTC-8 from you in our deliberations.
                                        I must go to bed soon. It's 23h32 for me and I must work tomorrow - yes, even at my age.
                                        Thank you so much for engaging with me. We will continue more when our time zones match up better. Bonne nuit. Je suis fatigué maintenant. 🫂

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                                        #22

                                        @amans and now it's 00h34... 🙂 I will really go do-does now.
                                        Thank you again for talking to me.

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                                        • gemlog@tilde.zoneG gemlog@tilde.zone

                                          @amans Ah oui. I agree the taboo.
                                          It happens that my work and volunteering brings me in contact with people who have such situations in their lives.
                                          It's not fair how societe thinks.
                                          I know many lovely people who just can't think and work outside of a managed place of living.
                                          I do befriend them.
                                          I also actually work alongside people who live in outpatient psych wards.
                                          These are normal, nice people.
                                          Just with some medical brain issues.
                                          I was not talking about them at the start of our conversation.
                                          I was talking about predator, psychopath, sociopath, greedy bastards like ... fill the blank. You can't fix those with talk therapy or medicines.
                                          Sorry.
                                          I'm getting a bit wound up now thinking about trump, netenyahu, putin and the rest...
                                          I need to get to sleep. It's 23h44.
                                          Sorry.

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                                          #23

                                          @gemlog pas de problème avec les décalages, pas d'urgence à ... whatever ? en l'occurrence

                                          Oui c'est bien d'avoir commencé à identifier là où nous ne sommes pas d'accord !

                                          "You can't fix those" : d'accord & pas accord
                                          - "Je" : en effet de là où je suis ça semble à peu près impossible 😅😬🙄😶

                                          - "réparer" : est-ce que l'esprit humain se répare ? Qu'est-ce que la guérison ? Le soin ? Le "rétablissement" ? Ces questions sont très difficiles, et je crois que le médecin, a fortiori le psychiatre, qui y répond de façon tranchée oublie que sa discipline tient davantage - ou du moins tout autant - de l'art que de la science 🐾🫗🌒🎰🎭

                                          - "ceux-là" : le problème .../...

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