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New blog post "License update: AI derivation prohibited on all my art, lore, stories, and comics."→ https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1178/license-update-ai-derivation-prohibited-on-all-my-art-lore-stories-and-comics

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  • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

    New blog post "License update: AI derivation prohibited on all my art, lore, stories, and comics."
    → https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1178/license-update-ai-derivation-prohibited-on-all-my-art-lore-stories-and-comics

    alien@mastodon.greenA This user is from outside of this forum
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    alien@mastodon.green
    wrote sidst redigeret af
    #74

    @davidrevoy why would someone do that omg and sending it to you? Wtf

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    • skaphle@social.tchncs.deS skaphle@social.tchncs.de

      @davidrevoy Have you looked into using Nightshade or Glaze or something in that direction to poison AI derivation attempts?

      https://nightshade.cs.uchicago.edu/whatis.html

      davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD This user is from outside of this forum
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      davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
      wrote sidst redigeret af
      #75

      @skaphle Yes, and I'll do the short version: it is a AI bro scam, boosted by a large (and successful) marketing effort. It was defeated on day 1, and now remain with a user base like a cult, especially appreciated from non technical user who are ready to believe it.
      That's sad, I wish something like that would work, be open-source, would run on Linux, and be done by serious peoples.

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      • robinsyl@meow.socialR robinsyl@meow.social

        @davidrevoy oh my good lord if someone sent me an AI derivation of my music I will turn into a werecat and visit their house at night

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        davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
        wrote sidst redigeret af
        #76

        @robinsyl I honestly felt mad about it the first times, before it became regular.
        I sort of got used to it. During a recent holiday with my wife, she saw how my notifications were full of that, and it kept incoming; she is the one who told me it wasn't normal and I had to show that in a article.

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        • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

          New blog post "License update: AI derivation prohibited on all my art, lore, stories, and comics."
          → https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1178/license-update-ai-derivation-prohibited-on-all-my-art-lore-stories-and-comics

          toonlink@fandom.inkT This user is from outside of this forum
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          wrote sidst redigeret af
          #77

          @davidrevoy Oof, I kind of feel bad for that user, but they clearly didn't read the room! I'm not sure how anyone can read your Cepper&Parrot stories and think you would be pleased by an AI generation of a Cepper&Parrot story. 🫣

          I'm glad that you're openly stating your stance, here. I see some folks implying that enforcement will be too hard, but I think that's beside the point. Enforcement starts by drawing a line in the sand, and stating your boundaries clearly.

          I'm with you! o7

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          • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

            New blog post "License update: AI derivation prohibited on all my art, lore, stories, and comics."
            → https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1178/license-update-ai-derivation-prohibited-on-all-my-art-lore-stories-and-comics

            marnic@framapiaf.orgM This user is from outside of this forum
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            marnic@framapiaf.org
            wrote sidst redigeret af
            #78

            @davidrevoy
            Il serait peut-être temps de créer une nouvelle licence type CC ou Art libre contre l'utilisation et modification par IA.

            De même pour les licences logicielles d'ailleurs 🤔

            ltdroihurleur@toot.portes-imaginaire.orgL patrick_massot@mathstodon.xyzP 2 Replies Last reply
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            • M marvins@mastodon.de

              @davidrevoy

              Interior monologue of the AI:

              Ah, I see. A girl! It should be drawn in a beautiful way. Here's some fantastic volume for her magical hair 🪄

              What's that? It cries? No excuse for an ugly chin! Also, it doesn't really cry, does it? Can I get a little idea of a smile? Perfect.

              And what's that on the top of her head? A very strange hat, indeed. The artist can't even draw wrinkly wizard hats! Here ist the most perfect wrinkly wizard hat imaginable for this cute littly girl.

              Ok, I don't exactly know, what's that down there – maybe a ball of some kind? Yeah, it's a child, why not! And really a checker board pattern fits this whole aesthetic far better than whatever that is in the base sketch.

              All in all, I made it perfect. As everything should be. 😁

              Why do I waste my time anthropomorphising it?

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              wrote sidst redigeret af
              #79

              @MarvinS HEH! I know this is done for larfs, but even that is too much reasoning for an LLM. They don't really comprehend what they're looking at or what they're outputting; it's all basically a numbers game.

              After looking at a bazillion pictures, they figure out the statistical likelihood that this color pixel will be next to this other color pixel, and so on, until they reach the end. That's why a lot of gen AI looks the same, with all the quirks smoothed out and details genericized.

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              • h5e@tech.lgbtH h5e@tech.lgbt

                @f4grx @davidrevoy why do people even *do* that??

                “hey artist i like your work anyway i used a machine to make it better maybe you’ll like it” seems like a very deranged thing to do and yet

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                bredroll@mas.to
                wrote sidst redigeret af
                #80

                @h5e @f4grx @davidrevoy its like rocking up to a woodworking class with a CnC machine

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                • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

                  New blog post "License update: AI derivation prohibited on all my art, lore, stories, and comics."
                  → https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1178/license-update-ai-derivation-prohibited-on-all-my-art-lore-stories-and-comics

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                  glitchypixel@mastodon.gamedev.place
                  wrote sidst redigeret af
                  #81

                  @davidrevoy
                  I was looking into this licence the other day. The "Filthy Human Hands" license.

                  https://whirling.top/fhh

                  Its not that anyone would care or respect licesnes anyway... But maybe this one can be useful somehow.

                  At the very least I appreciate the sentiment on that one.

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                  • farbenstau@infosec.exchangeF farbenstau@infosec.exchange

                    @davidrevoy

                    Please have a proper lawyer with copyright/licensing experience look at your idea of how to license your comics in the future.

                    I am pretty sure you cannot legally use a "CC-something" with an additional "no AI" clause, because then the folks behind the CC licensing might send you a cease and desist letter, since they don't approve of a CC-but-no-AI-use license just yet.

                    You will probably have to come up with an entire license text of your own, and call it something like the David-Revoy-no-AI-License.

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                    wrote sidst redigeret af
                    #82

                    @farbenstau @davidrevoy Probably can't use the CC trademarks, but the text of the licenses themselves is CC0. Which means derivative licenses should be in the clear as long as they're not misrepresented as being from the CC organization.

                    Of course, "have a lawyer look over any legal document you create" is still good advice.

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                    • marnic@framapiaf.orgM marnic@framapiaf.org

                      @davidrevoy
                      Il serait peut-être temps de créer une nouvelle licence type CC ou Art libre contre l'utilisation et modification par IA.

                      De même pour les licences logicielles d'ailleurs 🤔

                      ltdroihurleur@toot.portes-imaginaire.orgL This user is from outside of this forum
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                      ltdroihurleur@toot.portes-imaginaire.org
                      wrote sidst redigeret af
                      #83

                      @marnic @davidrevoy
                      Tout à fait d'accord. 🙂

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                      • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

                        New blog post "License update: AI derivation prohibited on all my art, lore, stories, and comics."
                        → https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1178/license-update-ai-derivation-prohibited-on-all-my-art-lore-stories-and-comics

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                        wrote sidst redigeret af
                        #84

                        @davidrevoy Why would someone look at a bunch of comics about how much you hate AI and think that sending you AI clones of those comics was a good idea?

                        My guess: They don't think you'll like it, they think you're owned. See? This AI you hate so much can make comics as well as you can! (It can't.)

                        The other "offers" of course probably had AI do the work of deciding to e-mail you and everything, so whatever humans were involved probably neither knew nor cared. Spam casts a wide net after all.

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                        • toonlink@fandom.inkT toonlink@fandom.ink

                          @MarvinS HEH! I know this is done for larfs, but even that is too much reasoning for an LLM. They don't really comprehend what they're looking at or what they're outputting; it's all basically a numbers game.

                          After looking at a bazillion pictures, they figure out the statistical likelihood that this color pixel will be next to this other color pixel, and so on, until they reach the end. That's why a lot of gen AI looks the same, with all the quirks smoothed out and details genericized.

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                          marvins@mastodon.de
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                          #85

                          @ToonLink

                          Now that I think about it. Is it even an LLM, if its output is an image?

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                          • M marvins@mastodon.de

                            @ToonLink

                            Now that I think about it. Is it even an LLM, if its output is an image?

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                            wrote sidst redigeret af
                            #86

                            @MarvinS Mmmm that's a good question! 😄 I guess since it all runs on numbers and tokens, an image is the same data as a text, so I guess it depends on how "language" is defined.

                            Though, there was a time not too long ago when the popular ones couldn't output images at all.

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                            • yuki2501@masto.hackers.townY yuki2501@masto.hackers.town

                              @davidrevoy Honestly, we need a CC-NOAI license.

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                              wrote sidst redigeret af
                              #87

                              @yuki2501 @davidrevoy Honestly?I think that may do more harm than good. The existing CC licenses, and TBH most FOSS licenses, almost certainly (by any reasonable interpretation) already don't allow what @cwebber called "attribution soup" elsewhere in this thread. True, AI bros ignore that, but they ignore all rights reserved too.

                              I just don't think it's wise to signal that *some* works are no-AI, because it implies that everything not so labeled is fair game, which I'm not willing to concede.

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                              • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

                                New blog post "License update: AI derivation prohibited on all my art, lore, stories, and comics."
                                → https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1178/license-update-ai-derivation-prohibited-on-all-my-art-lore-stories-and-comics

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                                wrote sidst redigeret af
                                #88

                                @davidrevoy I so admire you Sir. Your skill and work at your art and also all the time and talent you donate to our commons and teaching.

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                                • marnic@framapiaf.orgM marnic@framapiaf.org

                                  @davidrevoy
                                  Il serait peut-être temps de créer une nouvelle licence type CC ou Art libre contre l'utilisation et modification par IA.

                                  De même pour les licences logicielles d'ailleurs 🤔

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                                  patrick_massot@mathstodon.xyz
                                  wrote sidst redigeret af
                                  #89

                                  @marnic @davidrevoy il y a https://www.humanscommons.org/ dans cette direction.

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                                  • dajb@social.coopD dajb@social.coop

                                    @poleguy @cwebber @davidrevoy Well, also, although you can relicense, anything you've originally released just under CC BY is fair game.

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                                    #90

                                    @dajb @poleguy @cwebber @davidrevoy CC-BY does not allow AI training use because such use does not preserve attribution. It's great to be explicit about that, but there is no "the old license allowed it" loophole here.

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                                    • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

                                      @skaphle Yes, and I'll do the short version: it is a AI bro scam, boosted by a large (and successful) marketing effort. It was defeated on day 1, and now remain with a user base like a cult, especially appreciated from non technical user who are ready to believe it.
                                      That's sad, I wish something like that would work, be open-source, would run on Linux, and be done by serious peoples.

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                                      wrote sidst redigeret af
                                      #91

                                      @davidrevoy Oh no, I didn't know that... Too bad.

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                                      • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

                                        New blog post "License update: AI derivation prohibited on all my art, lore, stories, and comics."
                                        → https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1178/license-update-ai-derivation-prohibited-on-all-my-art-lore-stories-and-comics

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                                        #92

                                        @davidrevoy wow, the ai colored version does actually look disgusting.

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                                        • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

                                          @skaphle Yes, and I'll do the short version: it is a AI bro scam, boosted by a large (and successful) marketing effort. It was defeated on day 1, and now remain with a user base like a cult, especially appreciated from non technical user who are ready to believe it.
                                          That's sad, I wish something like that would work, be open-source, would run on Linux, and be done by serious peoples.

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                                          #93

                                          @davidrevoy @skaphle I didn't know that they didn't work. Ugh. So much for Cara's artist socmed website being all into Glaze.

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